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Percival is much better than he showed and will only play better
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He'd struggle to play any worse. You asked who did enough to justify another go and then cited a play who didn't but you've decided is good enough anyway so therefore deserves another shot. He was shocking yesterday, really poor. He didn't even play well against Scotland. his performance yesterday was almost identical to Sarginson's against NZ but with worse defence. For all the stick Watkins has received he was our best centre in this tournament and he barely touched the ball in the first 2 games

Sorry, had to get that off my chest, thought our lack of centres has never been more exposed than in this tournament. Not sure what options we've got. If Josh Griffin can continue to improve he might be an option next year but he's got some way to go to be genuinely considered an international option. Can't see Jordan Turner getting to that level. Atkins is past his best. Who else is there? Cudjoe maybe?

In terms of another chance.....

Hall and McGillvary were our best 2 players IMO so should continue as our wingers
I agree Whitehead did well
Hodgson was also good and relatively new to internationals

Thought Lomax didn't do anything a few others couldn't do and his passing when he joined the line was suspect. Not sure he did enough to keep his place or to lose it. I was disappointed in his play overall. If Hardaker or Tomkins can rediscover their form then I would take either of them over him.

George Williams looked OK against the Aussies and probably did enough to stay in the squad. Not entirely convinced yet but he's still young and has every chance of becoming a regular

Gale showed his limitations. As did Brown. Brown was OK with ball in hand but his kicking game, especially short kicks, was shocking. Gale was just average I thought

All in all disappointing and I don't see it changing much for the world cup next year

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Let's not crucify Percival for failing to hang onto a couple of hard-to-take balls in his first Test. He and Shenton look out best bet in the centres next season. Although Shenton is 30+, isn't he? At least, we have a few second rowers-cum-centres who can fill in there (Bateman, Currie, etc).

I'm also in agree with giving Gale another shot. In the first game he hardly got as sniff with Widdop at first receiver, he did a bit better in the second game with the ball in his hands a bit more.

Sarginson a possible left-field option at full-back (but never centre!).

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Quote: Biff Tannen "Roby is done at international level..Still a good club man but over 30 now and we have younger guys like Hodgson and Clark who are ahead of him -

Shaul - the jury is still out, he is young and improving and may well figure by next year.

Gale - did nothing wrong without being too convincing. If he can have another big year with Cas and lead them to silverware then perhaps he will get another go but i don't think Bennett is convinced by him after leaving him out in the last match.

Lomax - did nothing wrong really (apart from a one on one miss against the kiwis), also created a good try for McGillvary. He is the safe option but seems more like he is keeping the seat warm until someone better comes along (Shaul) or Hardaker or Tomkins find form than a long tem answer to me.'"



Apologies, I meant Williams rather than Lomax. I must have Lomax on the brain.

As said, Williams should be our starting scrum half and Gale should play on the left as the stand-off (as he does at Cas). Would give us much more balance and Williams excelled on both left side and right side.

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Quote: moto748 "Let's not crucify Percival for failing to hang onto a couple of hard-to-take balls in his first Test. He and Shenton look out best bet in the centres next season. Although Shenton is 30+, isn't he? At least, we have a few second rowers-cum-centres who can fill in there (Bateman, Currie, etc).

I'm also in agree with giving Gale another shot. In the first game he hardly got as sniff with Widdop at first receiver, he did a bit better in the second game with the ball in his hands a bit more.

Sarginson a possible left-field option at full-back (but never centre!).'"


Shenton was 30 this year. Still got a few years left in him yet.

If we're going for ones to watch, Minikin at Cas is another name to throw out there. Jake Connor, Josh Griffin, Leroy Cudjoe, Joe Wardle (if he can be persuaded to switch from Scotland),

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I think if Watkins gets grief for not taking JM's pass against NZ, then Percival can't escape a tiny bit of criticism.
I also think Bennett would probably argue we didn't look flat. I think Bennett just wanted us to complete our sets and get in good position to execute some moves. If we'd chucked the ball around we'd have made loads of errors and probably been carved up. Australia compete sets, dominate field position/opposition forwards and then they get license to show off their skills.
The basic aim for England was to get into scoring positions (which we did) and execute (which we didn't). It's quite simple. More composure against NZ for example and we'd all be looking forward to the final.
Bennett has quite rightly but also quite subtly heaped the pressure on his players. Even if SL's standard is low, they need to rise above it and show their quality week in, week out and show they deserve to be in the team. He's challenged them, let's hope they respond.

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I still maintain that although not everyone's choice, and not the biggest, strongest,most skilful or fastest centre we have, if we play McGillvary then i feel we have to pick Cudjoe too, they have both come up through the ranks together and through the first team together and work very well, although the fact that they both play for Huddersfield would probably automatically rule this out.
I just feel if you have a good partnership at club level then use it at international level, let's be honest we aren't exactly blessed with exceptional backs are we?

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