Agree on Cooper. I don't think any of the Burgess brothers were at the level they showed in the last World Cup.

This needs to be said.

Blake Austin and/or Trent Hodkinson could have made a significant difference to the result yesterday.

As for England's issues in the centres, I appreciate that either of the Morris twins will be considered a step too far for many.

Widdop woeful. Sarginson shouldn't be anywhere near the first 17. Lomax was disappointing. All three Burgesses way short of the standards they should be setting. That's no shock though - they were atrocious with Souths this year.

England not good enough on the day.

Just my two pence - Percival is a really fine, polished young centre - he simply has to start against Scotland and Aus for me. Widdop is being scapegoated again but had a better game than the disappointingly anonymous Gale. Lomax had a fair game but the missed tackle leaves him at risk. I'm okay with the pack though I prefer Farrell to Bateman as a back rower. Wingers are fine also.

The only world class half on the field made the difference.

There were times we bent the Kiwi line & you just know Thurston, Cronk, Moylan etc would have swarmed all over the next couple of plays & turned the screw. Widdop & Gale could not.

Our centres didn't have much impact, but neither did Kenny-Dowall or Kata.

Looks like Johnson's drop goal was wide according to new footage.

Too much hysterical reaction to England's performance on here. There was a 1 point winning margin ffs. NZ scored an intercept too. It was very close.

No need for wholesale changes. Perhaps only Percival for Sarginson or Williams for Gale if fit. A bit of fine tuning and England can still win this.

There's more chance of Nigel Farage being elected president of the European Union.

I've checked my recording several times and it didn't look wide to me.

I'm not about to engage in wishful thinking either.

Given the ingrained culture of the RL demographic for screaming boooooo, offside, gerrem onside (but not our lads obviously), cheats, etc, if there was any legitimate evidence that Johnson's drop goal was wide, we'd already have a thread on here set to rival Joynt's Voluntary Tackle.

Not seen the footage but I was directly behind the sticks and seemed fine to me along with everyone else around me

My view of the halves for what it's worth (and no, I haven't got my amber and black tinted specs on!). Too much went through Widdop, Gale didn't get his hands on the ball enough. It reminded me a little of when Rangi Chase was put into the England set up (whether he should have or not is not the issue here). He was a maverick half who could spark a team from anywhere with his moments of magic, but when put into the England team was made to play a structure outside of his natural game will nullified him. Very similar to Gale yesterday, he can provide that spark, but seemed to have been told to play to a structure that doesn't suit his game. Did Johnson play to a set structure? No, he was allowed to play whats in front of him. Widdop needs to control the game and Gale needs freedom to take control when he wants and play what he sees at the time to provide that spark, something different. All class halves at times just go and do what they want, thats what sets them apart. A halfback playing to set structures for 80 mins is never going to change a game at international level, and so we may aswell go back to Matty Smiths boring play. I though Gale stood up well in defence though. I would be keeping the halves the same as I think they could compliment each other very well with more game time together. What we do in the centres I have no clue! On a side note, I thought both our wingers played well, with a special mention to McGillvary who I thought was our MOM by a distance.

Never wide while I have hole in my ****. Has Peacock been tweeting again?!