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| Quote Sandro II Terrorista="Sandro II Terrorista"We were in Super League for ten years. We spent a total of one week at the bottom of Super League in ten years. This year, we finished above Huddersfield in the regular season and above Salford in the eight's.
Within this system, we have been relegated, we knew the rules, but I defy anyone to justify that we've got the correct system in place as a sport.'"
I was against the new structure right from the start and I'd prefer we had something else. But the whining about massive unfairness and won't somebody think of the poor players is, frankly, pathetic. It's sport. Sport isn't fair. The system we have is unnecessarily gimmicky but no more inherently unfair than any other. And the RL players whining about livelihoods and mental health maybe ought to take a look at what happens to ordinary hard-working families every day of the week.
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| I have sympathy with the players, I have a lot more sympathy with the admin/backroom staff who may well be losing their jobs without the option of another club to go to.
But we can't have it all ways. Many players, coaches, club officials complained at licensing for being a closed shop. Well this is the alternative.
The fact that it's a one-off game is a red herring. That's irrelevant. The issue is relegation itself, not the manner of relegation. Would it really make any difference to Hull KR had they lost all their games and been condemned to relegation 3 weeks ago? Not at all.
Hull KR had 30 rounds of SL in which to avoid this situation, they didn't. The only people to blame for that are the players, coaches and officials at Hull KR.
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| Quote BD="BD"In 2006, Cas didn't finish last and were relegated (to make way for Catalan) - everyone knows the rules at the start of the year.'"
Slight case of pot calling kettle there.
Nobody from Cas was happy about the nature of Castlefords relegation that year, many other RL supporters thought it was harsh.
I didn't hear any Cas supporters saying "it's ok, we knew the rules".
Having said that, this system was approved by the clubs and so we have to get on with it but, I dont think there were too many other options put forward.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"I was against the new structure right from the start and I'd prefer we had something else. But the whining about massive unfairness and won't somebody think of the poor players is, frankly, pathetic. It's sport. Sport isn't fair. The system we have is unnecessarily gimmicky but no more inherently unfair than any other. And the RL players whining about livelihoods and mental health maybe ought to take a look at what happens to ordinary hard-working families every day of the week.'"
The "mental" aspect is massively increased by having an all or nothing game every season, is it really necessary ??
Most clubs (and their supporters) are able to accept finishing last and being relegated but, the new structure doesn't do that.
It heaps all the pressure on 80 minutes of "sport" and great as this may be for the neutral or armchair viewer, it's very, very harsh on the players and staff.
Although clubs can and must make plans for winning or losing the MPG, can you imagine going into work on a particular day, not knowing if you have a job at the end of the day.
The only thing close in the real world is when companies announce that there are going to be a number of redundancies but dont tell staff until Friday afternoon.
The main point here is that t (the MPG) is just not needed to decide the weakest club in SL although we would then have to go with 1 up 1 down and most SL Chairman, are probably "happy" to have one last chance but, it's still very harsh for everyone else.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"There is a massive difference in being the bottom club and getting relegated, compared to having an all or nothing game.
Emotions are sure to be running high and there is massive tension in the build up and all through the game, especially if it's close.
If it had been a blow out score, there wouldn't have been the same kind of scenes at the end.
The new structure has contrived this fixture and ramped up the pressure on all concerned, is it really necessary ?
If we must have this crazy structure then ,perhaps the top 4 of the Middle 8 should go straight into SL and the bottom 4 into The Championship.
There seemed to be inadequate stewarding in Hull yesterday and lessons need to be learne.'"
You've completely ignored the point I made. 
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| Quote j.c="j.c"Leave the qualifiers alone they're working a treat.
What's needed is more work on the top 8s to make them more exciting at the beginning, question is how do you do that without playing about with the points each team starts with?'"
You do it by having more competitive teams. Hopefully Leeds and Huddersfield in the mix next year. The tighter the table, the more every match matters.
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| If the points are carried forward to the super 8's is it fair teams that teams who finish with more points in the regular season can't have a points advantage in the middle 8's. Why not handicap teams that finish 11th and 12th and 3rd and 4th in the championship with a -2 points deduction in the middle 8's. There just isn't any consistency between the formats with one slate being cleared and the other not. To take it a stage further why not give the top 4 a 2 point advantage over teams 5-8 to keep the super 8's more interesting for longer?
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| Quote TheElectricGlidingWarrior="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"You've completely ignored the point I made.
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And you try to say that the final game that "seals" relegation is akin to the fete of the loser of the MPG.
Unless it happens to be the last game of the season against the other club(s) in the mix, there is no comparison.
Mind you, clubs could always bust the salary cap and have players playing for "free" to avoid such a fete
There is absolutely no comparison in being mathematically "relegated" part way through the season when measured against the jeopardy of the MPG.
My club have been in 2 of these games and come out on top on both occasions but, I wouldn't wish the game on anyone.
When a club has been isolated in bottom spot (or a relegation place) in the run up to the end of the season, it's far easier for everyone to accept and clubs, players and fans can "get used to the idea" and make plans accordingly.
The current system may provide an entertaining finale to the promotion/ relegation issue but, it's unnecessarily brutal
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| Quote Him="Him"I have sympathy with the players, I have a lot more sympathy with the admin/backroom staff who may well be losing their jobs without the option of another club to go to.
But we can't have it all ways. Many players, coaches, club officials complained at licensing for being a closed shop. Well this is the alternative.
The fact that it's a one-off game is a red herring. That's irrelevant. The issue is relegation itself, not the manner of relegation. Would it really make any difference to Hull KR had they lost all their games and been condemned to relegation 3 weeks ago? Not at all.
Hull KR had 30 rounds of SL in which to avoid this situation, they didn't. The only people to blame for that are the players, coaches and officials at Hull KR.'"
Spot on. The had a home game vs Leeds final week of the regular season to get up to 9th spot and on paper a better fixture list for the Middle 8's....they lost. The had home games vs Leigh and Hudds, just one win would've been enough....they lost both. They had home advantage vs Salford in the MPG.....they lost.
4 winnable home fixtures to save themselves and they failed every time. The system is being called harsh because players could lose jobs but it presented them with numerous do-able chances to avoid it.
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| Top 4 of middle 8s are in SL the following year bottom 4 aren't no need for million pound game.
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| Quote M62 J30 TRINITY="M62 J30 TRINITY"Top 4 of middle 8s are in SL the following year bottom 4 aren't no need for million pound game.'"
It still doesn't resolve the disparity between the super 8's and middle 8's formats.
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