The argument for resetting the points for the final 7 games makes no sense to me, you're just rewarding teams for being inadequate. It makes the first 23 games meaningless for at least 5 clubs (this season - Hull, Wire, Saints, Wigan, Cats) as they have no need to try for 77% of the season.

If you're out of the running by the start of August, tough. You have guarenteed SL for next year, use the end of the season to work on building for next year - blood some youngsters, focus on some behind-the-scenes stuff etc. and next year look to be in a position to challenge for the top 4.

If we're just going to reset it so that "everyone has a chance at the end" - why not just sack off the league in full and play the Challenge Cup. That way everyone is in the hat, and noone can complain that "you were too good for us for 77% of the season and now we can't catch up". Imagine if in football it got to March and Man Utd are running away with the title, so they decide to reset the points to Zero. What an absolutely ludicrous suggestion.

Most sports which have Leagues with normal P/R, including our own (when we did have it), get to the final couple of months with a bulk of clubs with nothing to play for. It's the nature of League ladder sports.

As for the middle 8s - I can't see how this is anything other than a success. It's given the likes of Batley and Featherstone a realistic and attainable target - they're going head-to-head with the likes of Leeds which under both Franchising and P/R would NEVER happen. It's created excitement for clubs who perennially have nothing to play for. And Leigh are showing that if you build and invest in the squad then you can compete. And it ultimately comes down to a 1-off game for at least 1 of the lower clubs, which Bradford could easily have sneaked through last year.

Anyone except Wakefield & Widnes fans.

After years of misery, some fans (who have actually witnessed misery) do feel like it's a success.

Take your one rubbish season (THIS ONE) & try and imagine that's nearly as good as it gets, my success threshold is much lower than yours.

More clubs supporters have genuine excitement about the Middle Eight play-off's than what's gone before.

Sure, the Batley & Fev supporters don't expect their clubs to achieve promotion, but just that little bit of hope lifts your soul.

Last year when Hull made the middle 8's they had zero chance of making the top 4 from game 1 bit like Widnes and Wakefield this year. However it gave Lee Radford, Motu Tony and Adam Pearson the foundation to build on for this season.

They was able to sign real quality from the NRL in Pritchard, Manu, and Fanou as well the likes of Scott Taylor and Danny Washbrook because Super League status was already guaranteed by end of July.

Radford was also able to give more game time to the likes of Bowden, Green and Hadley as well as blood youngsters such as Naughton, Abdul, Logan, Turget, Downs and Fash once again because Super League was guaranteed.

These players stood up in an awful injury crisis but at least it showed Radders that taking 300k from Warrington for
Lineham and Westerham was pretty good business

Wakefield and Widnes and need more fans. They need new fans. Lots of them.

Call me crazy but i think they will be far more likely to find, far more of those new fans if they have some actual success once in a while rather than hoping to find them with the 'contextual success' of a mid table finish to the first part of a competition.

Indeed, that's the age old conundrum, but I don't see how a move to one up / one down, or franchising, will help their cause.

Anyhow Wakefield have got far bigger problems than an ignominious final third of a season.

Btw, how are you enjoying your sabbatical, is it a welcome change from S.L. domination?

No system can force those clubs to be a success. But some can make it harder. The 'jeopardy' of relegation in any format makes it harder.


it has limited novelty value. But its been a poor season quality wise throughout the league in my opinion, and now we are playing the worst of opposition, plus a couple of inferior sides. Its hardly burning with excitement. I think attendances will hold up on that novelty but i can't imagine many people all that interested in seeing us put 60points on part-time sides or games of the absolute awful quality that was HKR>