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| Quote: Him "Actually, I may be mistaken. I've just read the rules on a voluntary tackle and I had them wrong in my head. I thought it was a voluntary tackle if the ball carrier either fell to the floor and made no attempt to get up and play on, or played the ball without being a tackle being completed.
Which pretty much is the definition of a voluntary tackle as stated in the Glossary of the Rules"Voluntary Tackle is where a player in possession voluntarily stops play when not effectively tackled."[/i
However the relevant section in the Rules, under the section Tackle & Play the Ball states"Voluntary tackle 4. A player in possession shall not deliberately and unnecessarily allow himself to be tackled by voluntarily falling to the ground when not held by an opponent....
Now admittedly my memory of the event is somewhat hazy, but I'm pretty sure you could describe Joynt's actions as "voluntarily falling to the ground when not held by an opponent".
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Indeed. He did. And a right amateurish and embarrassing job he made of it, too. Completely blatant, and he didn't even attempt to deny it afterwards.
Here he goeshttp://i.imgur.com/4LjmoD6.png" >
It signalled the final demise of the voluntary tackle rule, because if that one was not good enough, then none could ever be good enough.
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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j]
"Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]: |
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| Quote: meast "
I'm not so sure, for me, there was no evidence that he grounded the ball, other than the ball was on the ground at some point, i can't believe we are now awarding a try based on the fact that ball, or some part of it is on the ground under a mass of bodies.
Benefit of the doubt? maybe but in that instance i would want good defence to be rewarded.'"
But if the ball is clearly on the ground, which it was, then surely a try has to be awarded. You can't say "Well the ball was on the ground, but it was a pretty good defensive effort to try and stop it so we won't give the try."
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| Quote: number 6 "im guessing your a wire fan, of course you will like the 'is it a try, not a try?', your team has benefitted twice from questionable tries, lets see if you still have the same opinion when a couple of these go against you that costs you the game'"
We had a few last season.
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| Quote: Thelonius "But if the ball is clearly on the ground, which it was, then surely a try has to be awarded. You can't say "Well the ball was on the ground, but it was a pretty good defensive effort to try and stop it so we won't give the try."'"
There's a difference between the ball, clearly being on the ground and how it got there.
you can't just award a try because the ball is on the ground, or at least in my opinion you can't, but it seems anything goes these days.
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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j]
"Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]: |
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| Quote: meast "
There's a difference between the ball, clearly being on the ground and how it got there.
you can't just award a try because the ball is on the ground, or at least in my opinion you can't, but it seems anything goes these days.'"
King went into the challenge and for the line with full possession of the ball and shortly after the ball could clearly be seen on the ground. There was absolutely no evidence whatsoever that King had at any time lost control of the ball and I'm assuming, because he awarded the try, that the referee at no point called held. Maybe it was a great effort by the Catalan players to prevent the try, but it wasn't enough. Having the try awarded by Child before being passed up there was absolutely nothing the VR could have seen to disallow it.
You suggest that good defence should be rewarded, but shouldn't a good, strong, determined and ultimately successful attempt to ground the ball be rewarded too?
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| both defence and attack should be rewarded, but when there is no evidence that he actually grounded the ball then, the defending side should get the B.O.D, for me, anyway.
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