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| Of course, in the interests of a balanced assessment, you have to look at both sides and provide relative comparisons.
Quote: wakey_saint "In 12 games against NZ & Australia, England have won 3 under Steve McNamara - a win ratio of 25% against the top international teams.
What was England's win ratio for the years prior to Steve McNamara?
Have the margins of defeat got smaller or larger?
2 of those victories came this year against an NZ team missing their first choice half backs (Johnson & Foran), captain (Mannering), main attacking threat (Vatuvei) & their biggest go forward (Warea-Hargeaves). Would NZ have won this test series if all those had played...we will never know but an educated guess is that they probably would have done
England didn't have any injuries then?
It seems to me as though a 2-1 series win against an under-strength Kiwi team has "papered over the cracks" for a lot of people in terms of McNamara's coaching abilities when the reality is once again in the World Cup 2 years away we will be no nearer beating Australia or NZ with him as coach when it matters.
Except it mattered last Saturday, and we won.
The main issue is who to replace him with, as unfortunately I dont think anybody is available currently who would realistically be interested in the job who is any better than McNamara (assuming Powell, McDermott, wane etc are unable to do it alongside their club head coach role)'"
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| We need a new coach, but will the candidates mentioned want the job?
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| Quote: Hopie "We need a new coach, but will the candidates mentioned want the job?'"
Not if it's full time but may be if it's part time.
We only have a few games a year so part time should be ok, imo.
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| People talk as though the national coach actually does coaching - the reality is they shouldn't have to. Phil Gould said that he didn't do anything except work on a few combinations and moves for Origin, as the players at that level all knew their roles and where to play. International coaches would be the same.
We look to have a decent squad in the makings, especially with Burgess back, but the general clunkiness of the play is as much the responsibility of the players as the coach.
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| But the coach is responsible for the style in which we play.
The basic gameplan has to come from the coach.
Whether it all fits together nicely is, I agree, more out of his hands. And the "lack of cohesion" for want of a better word, is partly why I want England to play more games every year even if they're only against 2nd tier nations.
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| Quote: Hopie "We need a new coach, but will the candidates mentioned want the job?'"
No, which is why McNamara got the gig in the first place.
Unless the role of head coach is allowed to be dual coaching job, we will only get "failed" coaches taking the job and although we all want England to some day beat the Aussies, we just dough fixtures to make it demanding enough for anyone to leave their position as a top SL or NRL coach to take it on.
Even when Tony Smith was in charge, who most would rate above McNamara, he very quickly split his role, as head coach, with the position of Warrington head coach.
Unless we can miraculously ramp up the International programme, it's likely to stay as a "part time" gig.
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