Point still stands, Foran is leaving a multi premiership winning team to join wooden spoon cellar dwellers. Why? Money. If the cap is legit I can't believe a mid or lower club can't be offering players from Leeds, Wigan or st's enough money difference to entice them to move. End of day there are only so many top tier earners a club can have if they are sticking to the cap.

Maybe it's because UK players are more loyal to their clubs, and not as mercenary as the Aussies who seem to just chase the money.

My knowledge of the NRL's minimal. Are the cellar dwellers loaded? If so, any player joining up might reasonably expect others of quality to join him. Were Wakey to sign, say, Hardaker, he'd know with certainty they couldn't afford any other top players; in fact the quality of those around him would almost certainly drop as a consequence of his having signed and the cutbacks that that would require.

Salary cap is working, not Leeds Wigan saints fault they produce the best players and attract the best players, Leeds success down to exceptional run club not just spending the most money, bet there are 3-4 clubs trophy less and out off top 4 who spend more money than Leeds.

I think part of the difference is that in the NRL you know there's gonna be turnover in the teams challenging for the play offs. Cronulla went from the wooden spoon in 2014 to finishing 6th in 2015. If players are aware this sort of transformation is possible, the good players are more likely to join bad teams, because there's nothing to indicate they will always be bad teams.

If Michael Ennis was a Super League player, he would have done the equivalent of leaving Wigan at the end of 2014 to join Wakefield. No player over here would do that because what chance did Wakefield have of making the play offs in 2015?

I also think the cap seems a lot harsher over there. I know their cap is much bigger, but so are wages - you hear about clubs having to let go of players because of salary cap pressures a lot more often. Robbie Farah being forced out of Wests, Michael Jennings and Luke Lewis being let go from Penrith, Glenn Stewart and Keiran Foran with Manly. These are all pretty good players who the club would rather have kept, but couldn't justify it under the salary cap. How often do the good Super League clubs have to let some of their good players go just because of the salary cap?

You could scrap the cap but then you would have to implement a rule meaning that clubs were protected from chairpersons who like to gamble.

Saying they are financially astute does not prove anything clubs as independent businesses pose no financial risk to the individual running them, they will just borrow against club assets until the club goes bust.

This is the first year for a while there has been some stability in club finances.

It's like the shampoo. It won't happen overnight but it will happen. (Provided it is properly policed)

Players do leave top clubs to go else where and earn more money. Thornley and Harrison Hansen at Wigan, Aiton at Leeds and going back a few years Calderwood. Josh Jones, Puletua and Flanagan at Saints.

I think job security at the smaller clubs with a history of going bust, and that prize money doesn't count on the cap make players moving to smaller clubs less common.

But what is special about a sports club that distinguishes it from any other business?

Businesses in all walks of life take risks, some work and the business grows, some don't and the business shrinks - that's the whole point of raising capital and having management in place.

It strikes me that the only logical way forward from having an imposed salary cap is to have a single model of finances right across the board for all clubs - yes let's nationalise SuperLeague - come on Mr Corbyn here's a project for you

Simple business are there to make money.
Sports clubs are there to win prizes.

Do tescos care if they get team of the year. Nope. But they do care about making money.

Do sports clubs care about making money. Not so much but they do care about having the best staff and being team of the year.

In football they have so many teams they can afford for 5 or 6 to go bust as others replace them. When Bradford goes bust there was no one to replace them, same with London losing money year on year.

Then you have the lunacy of clubs going bust but fans insisting on them staying in the top.flight.

The basics for rl are we.need more players, more clubs and more fans to pay more money to allow a totally free market.

At the moment it struggles with a semi regulated market.

Sports teams are essentially not for profit. Being well run enables them to spend more money on salaries and stadia if they can, but I'll guarantee there isn't a single owner in SL who expects to do any better than break even. For a number of the owners a manageable loss wouldn't be that bad as it would be used to offset tax liabilities elsewhere - it could even be their aim.