This whole 'it looks bad on tv' business is nonsense IMO. Anyone interested in sport knows the deal with Club Wembley. We will see an attendance of 80k and the CC will be a success again, like it is every year. Wembley is the spiritual home of the CC Final.

But they count the Club Wembley seats as sold tickets.No way as way as we know most of those seats will be filled.The attendance will come out as around 80k when in reality it will be around 70k actual bodies in the stadium.

Oh yes please! Being only 50 miles from Cardiff I loved it when the CCF was there. Cracking stadium and great atmosphere!

I'm guessing the RFL don't really care, as they will receive money for them seats anyway.

Absolutely. But it still doesn't hide the fact that there are actually about nearly 20k empty seats on the day and it stands out like a sore thumb

Don't they offer an on sell of club Wembley seats?

I can make some cardboard cut outs if it'll make you happy?

Having attended every Challenge Cup final at the new wembley, i can't say that the empty seats in the Wembley Club have ever spoilt my weekend.

I don't particularly care about empty seats when there's still a good crowd there. If the official attendance was say 85k and ALL the Club Wembley seats were empty then the number of people there would be approx 67/68k.

Some people will no doubt mutter about there being higher crowds in the past but crucially in the past we didn't have a very well attended Grand Final too.

I understand what people mean about Cardiff and it's a good stadium. But I think it's absolutely vital for RL to hold as many showpiece events as possible in London. That's where all the money, media and influence is. That's where we need to be.

I don't think the crowds are bad at all and im not having a go at it.The days i went as a kid before SL to the old wembley there was about 78-80k so the difference is not much and considering we now have another show piece final these days that is bigger also pulling circa 70k we do well. My gripe is with the CW seats being virtually empty however i do realise there isn't a right lot can be done about it.

Pretty sure that the initial Club Wembley tickets run out in 2017, hopefully RL can get out of this deal then, and instead shut the top tier and sell out the bottom 2 first. The England-Australia game a few years back did that and it looked full for the TV.