He moved to Hull. The attitude around the place is crippling. Not to be patronising but I do hope for the sake of Super League - there's a strong Hull side in my lifetime. The fans deserve it for their loyalty to such utter dross.

I thought the Horne brothers, especially Richard Horne was going to be a world beater. Never happened.
Yeaman. Great potential. Never happened.
Ellis, bit older and clapped-out perhaps. Hasn't set the world on fire.

Of course, it's an overreaction. But it seems like playing for Hull in the last 10 years, seems like an incredible mental burden.

Whereas O'Loughlin is error free!

You were wrong then and you're wrong now

Yes, agreed on Abdul. He looked like a pub team player.

Just watching the game, he is dire lol.

Forgive me. Would you like to address my half-decent argument then? I'm curious.

In regards to Ellis. I think he tries his best, and his attitude is without question. But from memory, he cuts a frustrated figure with what's going on around him. And that's more my point, the mental aspect of the Hull club.

He's got all the skill. But he plays like someone who struggles to put one foot in front of the other without someone explaining the act step by step.