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I really think that France has a big future as a player in Super League and far from looking to split them as people have suggested, I think its SL's best option to build an English/French European league as a long-term aim. People are more and more for international competition and the success of Catalans Dragons is hard-nosed evidence that involving the French benefits the competition as a whole.

They do things on another level to a lot of our clubs commercially and professionally and also get a lot of backing from local and regional government unlike our clubs. In short, they can make our competition bigger and better. See the following videos and imagine some of our clubs efforts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou-KdaJcPRI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwhel2p1wv8

I agree with a lot of your sentiment Jean but you must remember, these clubs and communities you berate are Rugby League. They formed our game and are part of our identity and to see you belittle them is sad. I'm fully for expansion but I go and watch Leigh now and again and love the fact that i'm watching a club that's been around for 100+ years and represents all the good things our game has to offer.

Rather than have the expansionist vs flat-cappers debate, I firmly believe the two ideologies can co-exist. I do think however that the massive potential of French city clubs would leave some of our establishment clubs for dead if it was realised. It needs to be made reality through the right means and not by replacing established and solid RL clubs.
I really think that France has a big future as a player in Super League and far from looking to split them as people have suggested, I think its SL's best option to build an English/French European league as a long-term aim. People are more and more for international competition and the success of Catalans Dragons is hard-nosed evidence that involving the French benefits the competition as a whole.

They do things on another level to a lot of our clubs commercially and professionally and also get a lot of backing from local and regional government unlike our clubs. In short, they can make our competition bigger and better. See the following videos and imagine some of our clubs efforts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou-KdaJcPRI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwhel2p1wv8

I agree with a lot of your sentiment Jean but you must remember, these clubs and communities you berate are Rugby League. They formed our game and are part of our identity and to see you belittle them is sad. I'm fully for expansion but I go and watch Leigh now and again and love the fact that i'm watching a club that's been around for 100+ years and represents all the good things our game has to offer.

Rather than have the expansionist vs flat-cappers debate, I firmly believe the two ideologies can co-exist. I do think however that the massive potential of French city clubs would leave some of our establishment clubs for dead if it was realised. It needs to be made reality through the right means and not by replacing established and solid RL clubs.


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Quote: Wellsy13 "Good luck to those naturally talented kids making it into a decent academy with the skills required without decent coaching. After all, these coaches are not needed in our game because they're insulted by ignorant claims such as yours.'"

Wow, a whole field of strawmen in there.

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Quote: The Avenger "I'm sure the answer to your question is out there somewhere, why do you expect me to do your research for you?

This discussion has centred on UK clubs so I don't see the relevance of your question as I alluded to in my first response to it!

It's been clearly stated by a number of posters on this thread that there are clear differences between what is happening in Australia and here.

Junior coaches at Scholarship level teach far far far more than just basic skills, there's no waxing lyrically because there's no need, just factual information.'"
Junior coaches at Scholarship level can teach everything under the sun. They could literally be the only RL coaching, and the only contact with RL a kid has up until that point. It doesn't create pro's.

The fact is that players who are picked up at 16/17/18 into academies and junior academies are picked up because of their talent, not because their coaching at scholarship level in Wakefield is better than elsewhere, and frankly its pretty pathetic to claim those kids, the vast majority of whom won't go on to even make a single SL appearance, as evidence that youth development at your club is working. Because all I hear is the excuse although Wakefields youth development is brilliant, there just aren't the results

and for all your attempts to play on emotion and pretend im bad mouthing volunteers, it wont work. Its also pretty apparent that you are devaluing not only the players input, but his amateur coaches input, his academy coaches input, and the actual commitment it takes to blood a young player in to the first team at pro level by vastly overstating the effect of scholarship coaching at certain clubs.

I noticed you have still failed to answer my question as well, ill ask it again, how many of the Wakefield 2009 Academy GF squad have made it to an SL career?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Junior coaches at Scholarship level can teach everything under the sun. They could literally be the only RL coaching, and the only contact with RL a kid has up until that point. It doesn't create pro's. '"


No individual part creates a pro, including when they get into an academy. Together they do. To dismiss everything before it is pretty ignorant of athlete development.

Quote: SmokeyTA "The fact is that players who are picked up at 16/17/18 into academies and junior academies are picked up because of their talent, not because their coaching at scholarship level in Wakefield is better than elsewhere,'"

And where does this talent come from? It's not just genetically inherited. It's an important piece of the puzzle. A very important piece. In fact, it's a very important piece that is ignored way too much in this country.

Quote: SmokeyTA "and for all your attempts to play on emotion and pretend im bad mouthing volunteers, it wont work. Its also pretty apparent that you are devaluing not only the players input, but his amateur coaches input, his academy coaches input, and the actual commitment it takes to blood a young player in to the first team at pro level by vastly overstating the effect of scholarship coaching at certain clubs. '"

Or he's saying that there is huge importance to every piece of the puzzle?

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Quote: Wellsy13 "No individual part creates a pro, including when they get into an academy. Together they do. To dismiss everything before it is pretty ignorant of athlete development.

And where does this talent come from? It's not just genetically inherited. It's an important piece of the puzzle. A very important piece. In fact, it's a very important piece that is ignored way too much in this country.

Or he's saying that there is huge importance to every piece of the puzzle?'"


Absolutely correct on all counts.

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