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Quote: William Eve "Several weeks ago when an Aussie ref was appointed to officiate in the 4N fixture between Australia and England, there was outrage over it on this forum.

That outrage then manifested itself into a moral crusade against cheating Aussies alongside future demands for neutral referees.

The aforementioned outrage and moral crusade subsided somewhat when an English ref was appointed to officiate in the 4N fixture a week later between New Zealand and England.

Given that in 2010 England defeated the Australian Schoolboys on the back of extremely favourable penalty counts of 21-7 and 7-2 respectively, it seemed an appropriate time to post a follow up to previous outrages and concerns aired with a renewed campaign for neutral referees.

Obviously not an outrage or an issue whenever English referees are appointed.

England by plenty tomorrow!

Penalties in their favour, that is.'"


You just don't let up WE,do you?
I had the pleasure of watching the Schoolboys last week, did you? I would say that on the whole the ref was not at all that bad, but did seem to let the Aussies get away with some extra niggle, especially in the second half. There was a full bloodied contest on view and no back biting such as your puerile remarks are necessary in relation to the game, I would imagine, although I do not know for sure that the penalty count went in Australia's favour.

If you care to look back you will see that I was of the opinion that the ref was justified in disallowing Hall's try, simply because I would in his position have done so as well.
Where I thought he got it wrong was in going to the VR and not sticking with his original decision to give a drop out from under the sticks.
I did later concede after some photographic evidence that the try could have been given, but myself I would not have done so.

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There's no need for those kind of rep teams as the existing academies would be at least as strong as those rep teams. And the best of the others will be in the England team.

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Quote: knocker norton "On the back of this tour can anybody explain the reasoning behind both Wigan and Leeds playing the Aussie schoolboys and not rep teams?

Seems a bit unfair if rep teams like Lancs, Yorks or combined Hull ( I know they played a combined Cumbria team) couldnt get a fixture on the back of this if there is no real reason as to why Wigan and Leeds got a fixture.

I know if a combined Hull team had been given a game the crowd and interest would have been high and I am sure this is similar for the other rep alternatives.

If Wigan and Leeds qualified for these fixtures then I could understand but it seems to be rewarding the big clubs unfairly if not. If a player is in negatiations with both Wigan and Warrington for example and Wigan are able to promise a player a game against the worlds best touring teams from the Oz and NZ touring teams then you can see how they may be more persuaded to sign for the team guaranteed these fixtures.

At the end of the day because both Wigan and Leeds are successful a large number of their players will rep England against these teams anyway so arranging additional tours games against their clubs seems a tad flawed to me.'"


I guess Wigan were chosen as they are the current U19s GF winners.

The Aussies were based in Leeds while they were over here so I guess that is why they played Leeds.

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Quote: dr_feelgood "I guess Wigan were chosen as they are the current U19s GF winners.

The Aussies were based in Leeds while they were over here so I guess that is why they played Leeds.'"


I can certainly understand how winning the comp gets you a game but location seems a bit shallow.

Another chance to promote the game seems to have been missed and I can't for the life of me work out the reasoning unless purely selfish.

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Quote: knocker norton "I can certainly understand how winning the comp gets you a game but location seems a bit shallow.

Another chance to promote the game seems to have been missed and I can't for the life of me work out the reasoning unless purely selfish.'"

How has a chance to promote the game been missed?

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Quote: Him "How has a chance to promote the game been missed?'"


The Green and Golds are a draw card no matter what level from Schoolboy to full international and I think that playing club sides who have a generous rep presence at International level anyway seems like an opportunity lost.

By all accounts this Aussie touring side were fine ambassadors throughout the tour and I think it would have been a great opportunity for a more widespread tour to incorporate a bigger audience.

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