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Quote: SmokeyTA "Smiths kicking game was hardly brilliant was it.

Englands problems stem from a lack clinical finishing to breaks made in the middle of the park, a lack of a ability to force repeat sets, and a lack of really threatening last tackle options.

These problems stem from not having two classically good half backs. We dont even have 1.

That really is the difference, we dont have even 1 difference maker in the halves. Our pack can compete, for the first time in a long time our backs can compete AND we have a fair bit of depth there, we have two hookers who have proven they can compete. Our halves just can't.

Widdop is a good NRL level half. He probably isnt an NRL or international level half. We could probably get away with it if we were playing Thurston next to him

Smith isnt close. We dont really have anyone else who is close at home. Perhaps Brown or Burrow or anyone else you want to argue should have been there instead, would have won the game, but thats only because the games were so tight and yeah maybe they would make a break, maybe they would have got on the end of something but that is only because they are different, not better. They arent the answer for us either.

Eastmond is a heartbreaker, he really could have been 'the one' He and Tomkins should have been grabbed at a very young age and moulded in to half-backs. Tomkins has some stuff missing from his game at Half but its nothing that shouldnt have been both apparent and fixable at a young age. Eastmonds problems were always 'growing pains'

Whether its the style of play in SL or it is something more endemic at youth level, we really arent producing half backs for international RL in either style or sufficient quality.'"



Widdop just a good 6 in the NRL.......!!!

He was the 2nd highest ranked half back for the 2014 season in the NRL behind Thurston and came 4th overall in the Dally M standings. Its no coincidence that Storm struggled in 2014 without him failing no less than 4 times to find a quality replacment!
What we need is a quality dominent 7 with a good kicking game and the indroduction of two quality back rowers and we win more than we lose. Over all I think this has been a great 4 Nations comp that could of gone either way.

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Having attended seminars hosted by pro coaches, their biggest gripe was having to start coaching 16/17 yr olds basic skills

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Quote: Gary26 "Widdop just a good 6 in the NRL.......!!!

He was the 2nd highest ranked half back for the 2014 season in the NRL behind Thurston and came 4th overall in the Dally M standings. Its no coincidence that Storm struggled in 2014 without him failing no less than 4 times to find a quality replacment!
What we need is a quality dominent 7 with a good kicking game and the indroduction of two quality back rowers and we win more than we lose. Over all I think this has been a great 4 Nations comp that could of gone either way.'"

Agreed. Smith is a capable journeyman halfback but out of his depth at international level but I thought we were let down in the back row. Particularly by Tomkins who did not look fit to me.

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What P/Sports did during the Aussie play offs was to also screen the Holden Cup sides, the NRLs under20s competition.

It was a revelation to be honest, the quality of play was practically up to the NRL itself and the differences on view between the amateur or academy game here were immense.
At the Warriors (eventual champions) there were quite a few really exciting lads there who will be pushing for NRL spots in the not too distant future, some already gaining them.
I believe that the lad who played at F/B, for the Warriors, will be giving 'SAM' a bit of push for the F/B NRL spot soon and, that this could see Tomkins having to fit into the halves, like it or lump it. From an English POV, the sooner the better.

Back to the point of coaching. There was evident, a vast difference of approach to the playing of the game than you see from similar aged lads over here, both of flair and also structured play.
It stood out a mile that a hell of a lot of useful time and hard work, had been used in reaching the standards that these young men had at their disposal and really, we are, with our approaches to players in these categories of players, much more than miles behind.

At what ages these lads have been nurtured from I have no idea, but the time invested has clearly been put to excellent use. I hope P/Sports repeats the exercise next term, it really is well worth watching.

this obviously does not appertain to the Aussies alone as it was the Warriors that eventually came out winners, but only narrowly from a B/Bronco's side. It was frightening to watch and I doubt that the bottom half of S/L would have had a stroll against any of those under20s sides that I had the pleasure of watching.

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Australian Halves over long periods of the 20 year SL have included - Daley,Gower,Johns,Fitler,Kimmorley,Lockyer,Thurston,Cronk

We have failed to produce one in the class of any of those guys over that period.Until we do it is always going to be tough for us no matter how much we can compete in the forwards.

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