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Anyone who believes the selection of Hardaker at full back would not result in "several" positional changes for other England players is the one who is indeed dire at maths as well as being dire in relation to "several" other disciplines too.

Inability to distinguish between excellent Australian teams and worst ever Australian teams... hence the differential in margins of defeat... duly noted.

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Not having Westwood available was also a big loss IMO.

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Quote: JB Down Under "lol, seriously you think that was the best pack Australia could have chosen if everyone fit?

8. M. Scott
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would have been the first choice most likely and is a damn sight stronger.'"


yes with exception to Scott from all the matches I have watched the best pack was picked

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "Not having Westwood available was also a big loss IMO.'"


Perhaps a tad heretical from my own Club's supporters POV, but, Westwood probably hadn't done enough last season to warrant an automatic spot.

Compared to his high standards his form (and ours) was patchy. I'm hopeful with a decent rest this off season, he'll be back to his best. Although Father Time might be starting to catch up, especially for such a demanding role, when he's fully fit and on his game, there's not many others I'd put in ahead of him

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Quote: Uncle Rico "Perhaps a tad heretical from my own Club's supporters POV, but, Westwood probably hadn't done enough last season to warrant an automatic spot.

Compared to his high standards his form (and ours) was patchy. I'm hopeful with a decent rest this off season, he'll be back to his best. Although Father Time might be starting to catch up, especially for such a demanding role, when he's fully fit and on his game, there's not many others I'd put in ahead of him'"


that is the worry.33/34 is getting on as far as mixing it in the back row is concerned on the international stage.

We could do with him back to his best though

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Quote: AJC "Funny how the people claiming Australia could put together 3 teams capable of beating England are the same people claiming the only reason England came close was because the Australians were poor! The real reason we lost that game was a shocking decision. End of. We matched both Oz & NZ play for play, in their back yard. To claim that isn't progress is ridiculous. I'm no huge McNamara fan, nor agree with some of his selections - and that's not just a club bias - but he's doing a good job given his hands are tied by such an inept international program.'"


That is nowhere close to "end of"!
Admittedly we could have won on that decision, but to state that is the only reason we did not win is ridiculous.

England had that game in the bag as they went off at half time, they even started the second half as though they would walk it eventually, THEN what.?
They stopped doing what they were excelling with and went defensive, with a lets hold them out attitude.

For the ensuing 30, or so, minutes of that second half, they let the Aussies run the game and only tried to retrieve a match, we should have had won by then comfortably, in the final 3, or so, minutes of the game.

Sorry but that is the real reason ENGLAND failed yet again. The ref argument is really a very secondary reason why we did not play in this weekends final.

We should have and it was our own fault that we are not.

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