Sean O'loughlin when fully fit is the best 13 in the world.

To say he won't dazzle in attack is nonsense (see sarginsons try at saints) he's key to Wigans attack and he was key early on last week, he takes the ball right to the line before he passes so he holds defenders up creating a bit more time for the halves. He wasn't fully fit last week, if he was he would have played 80 mins. People seem to have missed him picking corey parker up and sitting him down and the fact he ran all over the top of Greg Bird.

To say he's a good club player is utter nonsense. It's such nonsense i'm annoyed i've even dignified it with a response.

JP said on today's highlight show that he thought O'Loughlin and Graham were not only the best ball playing forwards in the world right now but the best in the last 20 years. Again, I'd tend to give more credence to Jamie Peacock's opinion than some no mark on an internet forum.

You must be excluding hookers from the category of "ball playing forwards."

I was quoting Jamie Peacock but, at the risk of speaking for him, I would say that is a given as hookers are less forward and more half in the modern game.

I think Ben Kennedy is (was) the best LF in the last 20 yeara. Flanders is excellent but he's no Scully P.