Quote: Erik the not red "I'd like to bet that you have and are embarrassed by what you see. He simply isn't a leader in any category (except perhaps disciplinary referrals). Stats aren't everything but you can bet that his fan club would be belting them out if they could find anything favourable about him at all. As I said evidence please. As you prefer to make grandiose unsubstantiated claims instead, I presume he made a "massive difference" against Cas in the Cup game? Or wasn't that tough enough so he was kind enough to let choker Clark have his day in the sun? So you pick the one poop or bust game in the last 2 years that we have lost where the whole team stunk the place out. Very selective there Look at the Challenge cup games last season. Look at the Playoffs last season. Watch the playoffs this season. He is a big part of a multiple trophy winning side and if you watch all the big games Wigan play well in you will see him playing a big role. Proven quality player and if you ask him nicely he might show you his jewels to prove it Read the article below just to see what his coach thinks of him. www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... -1-6626497

Quote: Erik the not red "I'd like to bet that you have and are embarrassed by what you see. He simply isn't a leader in any category (except perhaps disciplinary referrals). Stats aren't everything but you can bet that his fan club would be belting them out if they could find anything favourable about him at all. As I said evidence please. As you prefer to make grandiose unsubstantiated claims instead, I presume he made a "massive difference" against Cas in the Cup game? Or wasn't that tough enough so he was kind enough to let choker Clark have his day in the sun? So you pick the one poop or bust game in the last 2 years that we have lost where the whole team stunk the place out. Very selective there Look at the Challenge cup games last season. Look at the Playoffs last season. Watch the playoffs this season. He is a big part of a multiple trophy winning side and if you watch all the big games Wigan play well in you will see him playing a big role. Proven quality player and if you ask him nicely he might show you his jewels to prove it Read the article below just to see what his coach thinks of him. www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... -1-6626497

Roby is a no brainer. Head and shoulders above everyone else. I would take Clark as back up.

MM is just the latest in a long line of stupidly overated wigan players.

Regards

King James

Before the WC, I was saying that MM had staked a good claim to get a run in the side.

I was at the Fiji game, he had very little impact for me. Did not do anything massively wrong from what I recall, but I did not see any great disribution or fearsome tackling.

It's always a tough call as GB/England sides always split fans along loyalties to club men.

Do I like MM? No.
Would I have him at Saints? No
Would I give him one more whirl at international level before shutting that door? Maybe

Fiji was a damp squib for him, but one match does not test a player. A full test series will let us know if he is decent enough at that level.

I don't need a full test series to tell me that James Roby for 80 minutes is a better bet than James Roby + A N Other

He's light years ahead of MM

My point is that we know Roby will be fine, but we have to take another player and I would be tempted to take MM as he has only had one shot at international level. Yes he did not impress, but one match or part of a match is not enough to consign him to the bin of international RL.

We did that far too often in the past with our halfbacks.

He does bring something to Wigan, whilst he is not at Roby's level, if Roby was to be injured we would need another 80 minute player and to me that would be MM.


Can I go wash now.

Roby and Lunt