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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: bramleyrhino "It should be down to the clubs though. They should know their businesses better than anyone else and they should know their audiences better than anyone else.

This year, Salford have marketed themselves as something of a "disrupter" in the game (the "Devilution", "Welcome to Hell" etc). Koukash's persona suits this branding very well and whatever praise or criticism you want to throw at him and Salford, there is no denying that they have got people talking. However, if the RFL is running the show, I suspect much of the effectiveness of that would be diluted. Salford, like every other club, would have to toe the party line - and that can do more harm than good. Fourteen seperate brands, all saying the same things, all looking the same and all (in effect) selling the same is a bloody terrible marketing proposition.

The other issue I have is that it limits clubs in targeting their marketing at the audiences they want to attract. Let's assume that the RFL set out to attract a family audience, yet a club like Leeds or Wigan decides that they have a good proportion of families already attending and instead, would like to focus on attracting high-value corporate customers - would those clubs still have to pay into a pot to attract customers that they already have enough of?'"


I couldn't agree with this more. But the RFL should be putting together a strategy for the league to increase attendances at all levels which would include focussing on the target markets you have mentioned.

Some clubs have very limited resources and the RFL could assist them with communications, marketing materials etc. along with a 'league wide' strategy like they have in the NRL.

The RFL can certainly help put things in place to increase memberships at all levels, it is working in the NRL and in other sports.

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Quote: WARRIORCRAIG "I thought Wigan were getting it about right around 2010-2012 but it's gone a bit awry of the last couple of seasons. We got up to about 11k ST holders and managed to settle on an average of about 16k. This was helped by initatives such as the Big One, Heritage Day and St George's Day (admittedly all of which involved free/discounted tickets), alongside our big draws such as Saints, Warrington and Leeds. Since then ST holder numbers have dropped, our average has dropped by about 1500-2000 and the marketing initiatives seem a little less prominent.

There is a growing apathy amongst fans to the current league system, and I think a lot more fans are picking and choosing games rather than getting a ST. Moving games to first Mondays and now Thursdays for Sky won't have helped (the most recent one Wigan have had announced is HKR away which will likely see less than half that would have travelled for Sunday afternoon). '"


I'm sure you're right; after all no-one knows better what affects a side's attendances than its own fans.

What I've often wondered about Wigan's attendances is to what extent the apathy towards the regular season following your 2013 play off exit turned off non-core fans. The feeling that regular season fixtures were utterly pointless must have been hammered home to them in a big way. Likewise, I've also wondered whether it might have been a factor in players deciding to move on in the last couple of years. After all, in a rugby town like Wigan, players can hardly be unaware of fans' opinions.

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The playoffs are always going to be an issue given that we run a pretty even league system along side it.

Next year with the fixtures being more uneven but only a top 4 in the playoffs, I'm hoping this will spark a bit more interest in the league without diminishing the GF concept.

In the end the GF provides the glory, but the league system provides the income.

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Quote: Roofs "As well as clubs with a very respectable 7000-8000 in a 250,000 population, compared to 1000 in an 8,000,000 population. I know. Arsenal get rubbish crowds compared to Alfreton Town don't they.

Re Salford, the doctor is maybe finally realising how much it costs to run a SL club and specifically how much it costs away from first team wages to build and run a decent club. And that he's going to need considerably more patience than he appears to have.

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The league system is no different to how it was ten years ago, so I really don't get why people use that as an excuse to falling crowds.

The real reason I fear is the lack of quality out on the pitch. We've lost English stars like the Burgess bros, graham, Tomkins to the NRL and also lost some stars to union - Eastmond being the big one from my POV. Also we haven't been able to attract the likes of Jamie Lyon since.

Imagine if you all watched NBA, Christ. 82 games before the play offs...but that doesn't stop me supporting the sport or my team. It's the stars within the game that keep me interested and seeing them perform so often is a pleasure even though the regular season means just as much as the SL regular season.

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Quote: Roofs "As well as clubs with a very respectable 7000-8000 in a 250,000 population, compared to 1000 in an 8,000,000 population. I was talking about teams in Superleague. Why bring championship clubs into it

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