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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Personally I think its great he's back in RL.

Isn't part of the problem that he was effectively a part-time centre in RL (albeit a pretty good one), who was always eventually going to move permanently into the forwards?

RU signed him as primarily a centre. From what I recall he had big pluses as a centre - big and quick - but didn't look a natural centre in RL either for the most part, despite the spectacular Wembley try (aided by some poor Leeds defence it should be noted).

I sincerely hope that Sam Burgess is a bigger flop, as it seems he's apparently been signed as a centre as well, with far less background than Tomkins (I don't think he's ever played in the centres - certainly not for Souths). The prevailing view seems to be that he'll never master the complexities as an RU forward.'"


He was always a 2nd row and he was Wigans best second row, who used to burst threw tackles all the time and ran better lines than Liam Farrell. Then Martin Gleeson decided he would have a meltdown and Madge fired him off so Joel had to cover as a Centre and did well but it wasn't his position.

Sam Burgess won't be a flop but what will happen is he will get bored and when he returns early he will get called a flop by people who watch barely any union and the Anti league brigade in union. It will take a naturally talented athlete like Burgess a year to learn union forwards skills but it won't matter anyway because if he puts in 28 tackles a game they will believe he is some kind of demi god. The biggest thing he needs to learn is how to read the game and how to clean out rucks and line out plays, because joining a ruck, mauling and scrumming is actually very simple for a open side flanker.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "On Burgess, my understanding is (could be wrong) that he's been signed to play in the centres. He wants to play in the World Cup next year, and there's little chance he'd be even half proficient at the RU forwards' stock in trade by that time. He won't be leaving Souths until their season is up, which most likely means no pre-season at all in RU - just straight into it.

I just look at his build and the way he plays and can see him having the odd flash moment in both attack and defence, but in the centres his basic lack of speed and mobility would be a problem. He's a completely different style of player to SBW, who would be a great RL centre if he wanted to be, as well as pretty good in RU. Burgess would be an average centre in RL, never mind RU.'"


Couldn't agree more. I think Burgess has made a huge mistake. Down to his ego and rivalry with SBW with him wanting to emulate what Sonny has.

Joel has been unlucky with injuries at crucial times in his RU career. Although not a massive success he has done well. I know a member of Sarries medical team who always spoke highly of Joel. I'm happy he's back however players returning from RU have a history of being half the player they were when they left.

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I'm sorry Sam Burgess has gone for now.
But some of the above is rubbish.
Burgess will be the best centre by far that the England RU team has had in the professional era. I'm disregarding their 'amateur' days when prancing lightweights like Woodward were in vogue.
Trouble is, if England did win their World Cup, Sam would be gone for years.
Best result is if he has some stormers personally but England get goal kicked out.
Then Sam might be back in RL before he goes too soft.

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I know it's a different type of player,... but I couldn't believe the transformation of Lee Smith in just a year he had in Union

Not sure how much this was down to his attitude or what, but he was hardly half the player he was before he left.

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I'm sure Burgess will be a mediocre success in Union due to him making flashy runs, big tackles and some flashy off-loads ie not what usually happens in northern hemisphere RU, but they will soon get tired of this novelty just like they did with Chris Ashton.

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Difference is that Ashton had 3 years of bedding in before he had to play for England... Burgess will not have that luxury

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