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It's mathematics. Sample and statistics.
"Only" 3500? If distributed across demographics randomly, such a sample size is extremely reliable when extrapolated. As I said, the error margins are within a few percent, at most. They would often be one perfect off reality.
Don't like it? Doesn't suit your own opinion? You had better challenge the foundations of mathematics then. Good luck. A Nobel Prize awaits.
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State of origin is the toughest team sporting contest on earth.
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Talk of inglis moving to 6 and Thurston to 7.
With either Chambers or Nielsen playing at Centre.
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| Quote CGD="CGD"It's mathematics. Sample and statistics.
"Only" 3500? If distributed across demographics randomly, such a sample size is extremely reliable when extrapolated. As I said, the error margins are within a few percent, at most. They would often be one perfect off reality.
Don't like it? Doesn't suit your own opinion? You had better challenge the foundations of mathematics then. Good luck. A Nobel Prize awaits.'"
I would love to hear your justification (regression analysis) to how 3500 makes a good sample size of what 20,000,000 
I can't be bothered to number crunch, but true extrapolation probably requires somewhere between 10-15k to be within 12sigma limits as claimed. 3k is more than enough to get to 6sigma standard though |
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"I would love to hear your justification (regression analysis) to how 3500 makes a good sample size of what 20,000,000
I can't be bothered to number crunch, but true extrapolation probably requires somewhere between 10-15k to be within 12sigma limits as claimed. 3k is more than enough to get to 6sigma standard though
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State of Origin is what it is.....a brutal contest that interests more Aussie sports fans than usual because it's on a Wednesday Night......and advertisers because it delivers those sports fans. 4 Billion (  )4 million or 400k.....it's worth what the advertisers and TV companies are willing to pay for it. |
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| Quote gutterfax="gutterfax"State of Origin is what it is.....a brutal contest that interests more Aussie sports fans than usual because it's on a Wednesday Night......and advertisers because it delivers those sports fans. 4 Billion (
)4 million or 400k.....it's worth what the advertisers and TV companies are willing to pay for it.'"
Is a much more important (and better) way about thinking about it
We can use "mathematics" (it's actually statistics, and thus would win a fields prize medal not a Nobel prize and would require disproving some pretty axiomatic statistacal theory!) all we like, but any show, sport, rugby or otherwise is as successful as companies are willing to pay for it. The tv company's won't get that figure wrong, even when ofcom do |
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Quote Buggo="Buggo"That is the same method that all figures like these are based on.
Its a broad based number of viewers and they extrapolate the figures.
All Political Polls are done in the same way.
Do you think they can ask the 4 million viewers what they were watching and they all say "yes we were watching"?
Sponsors take the Oztam figures realistic enough to base their financial investments on.
That should be enough.'"
3,500 homes in AUSTRALIA.
Yet the last census shows that there are 1,720,333 private dwellings in the greater Sydney region alone.
As I said, it's the way it is. It's what they have. If you believe that 1 in 5 people in Australia watched it. Then that's up to you. Good luck with that. Just also remember that in those 3,500 Oztam homes, you only need to be on a channel for several minutes and not a whole programme to be regarded as having viewed it. So they can give far reaching, roughly based averages to advertisers. And as shown previously Oztam say they are ESTIMATES. Yet the journalists version doesn't point that out.
State of Origin I was a ratings winner for the NRL with the game posting a record audience for an opening game of the series as 4.053 million viewers tuned in around Australia.
Read more: www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z33QwvM9DV
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Quote Buggo="Buggo"That is the same method that all figures like these are based on.
Its a broad based number of viewers and they extrapolate the figures.
All Political Polls are done in the same way.
Do you think they can ask the 4 million viewers what they were watching and they all say "yes we were watching"?
Sponsors take the Oztam figures realistic enough to base their financial investments on.
That should be enough.'"
3,500 homes in AUSTRALIA.
Yet the last census shows that there are 1,720,333 private dwellings in the greater Sydney region alone.
As I said, it's the way it is. It's what they have. If you believe that 1 in 5 people in Australia watched it. Then that's up to you. Good luck with that. Just also remember that in those 3,500 Oztam homes, you only need to be on a channel for several minutes and not a whole programme to be regarded as having viewed it. So they can give far reaching, roughly based averages to advertisers. And as shown previously Oztam say they are ESTIMATES. Yet the journalists version doesn't point that out.
State of Origin I was a ratings winner for the NRL with the game posting a record audience for an opening game of the series as 4.053 million viewers tuned in around Australia.
Read more: www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z33QwvM9DV
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I've always said its bullox. 500 boxes in Perth for 2mill. When you get to small numbers it is nonsense. For example according to oztam NRL rates around 25k a game on Friday night in Perth. Now one box equals about 4000 people. I know at least 20 households of my friends and family who watch NRL and don't have a box. If just half of them happened to be chosen NRL ratings would be over doubled.
It might be more accurate for larger samples but in states like WA it isn't close IMO.
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Anyway what a game it was watched by millions of people all over the world
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| Quote j.c="j.c"Anyway what a game it was watched by millions of people all over the world'"
Point of Order.
90k in NZ and no other accountable ratings anywhere, so it was watched by 4 million in Australia but nowhere else was it watched by anything like "millions".....Premier TV still only have 6k in the UK.......it's unlikely it was seen "live" by more than 5 million globally. |
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| Quote JB Down Under="JB Down Under"I've always said its bullox. 500 boxes in Perth for 2mill. When you get to small numbers it is nonsense. For example according to oztam NRL rates around 25k a game on Friday night in Perth. Now one box equals about 4000 people. I know at least 20 households of my friends and family who watch NRL and don't have a box. If just half of them happened to be chosen NRL ratings would be over doubled.
It might be more accurate for larger samples but in states like WA it isn't close IMO.'"
950 in Sydney; 900 in Melbourne; 650 in Brisbane; 500 in Adelaide; 500 in Perth.
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