Lemons and grapes, both bitter and sour.

Awful post even by your standards

Whereas yours is very enlightening, thanks. What do you mean by 'my standards' exactly?

How is stating the facts sour grapes or bitterness? I'm genuinely confused by that. I've said that what they've done is very impressive, but do you think they're nailed on for the double, or do you think that 3 or 4 other teams might have quite a big say in that?

yeah and if you follow the line of conversation you would see i was answering to the poster that it hasn't just been poor teams that the youngsters have beaten. or should i mention that a lot of those youngsters are double winners as well or will you get sensitive with that as well?

In a few years time that will be a very expensive team. I wonder what will give.

How fickle the fans are. Just look at the things written about the likes of Gelling, Dudson and especially Hughes a few weeks ago when, on the Cherry and white board, a number of fans were calling for them all to be sold off as soon as possible.

Except you didn't really. A poster gave a fairly balanced opinion of Wigan and you came along with a childish 'still bitter and sensitive over last week' retort.

There are certainly a few fickle ones, we all have them. The consensus of most however was Gelling needed a run of games in his favoured position of centre which he is now getting, Hughes looked good when he first came on the scene but being tried as a centre has set him back a bit and to be fair hasn't been in good form. Dudson is an interesting one. He still young for a prop and certainly has size on his side, time will tell on him but he does need to get the petulant brain farts out if his game.

One hung we can't fault from any of them is commitment to the cause and you can't ask for much more than that.

Funny really all i said was that the Wigan youngsters have just beat the best team last week after he inferred we would beat a good team with the youngsters, and hat retort was to you not nobody else. I actually thought he was a giants fan, and that was later in the conversation when you posted because people are praising Wigan and not Leeds.

Like i said bitter and twisted.

Exactly what the majority have been saying but i did say Dudson has the potential to be the best prop at Wigan.

The real message is just what an amazing coach Shaun Wane is. Every season we hear ( heck, we Wigan fans think it too ) ... " might be a struggle this year " and then more gems come through to not only do OK, but to excel. Very proud of the model rght now, Leeds the only team that come close and deserve credit too. But the number of people that still won't hear anything other than Wane is some sort of thick Gorilla is ridiculous. Evidence suggests he might just know a few things about rugby.

When they played the Roosters, despite Matty Bowen having a poor game I thought they did really well and I remember saying that they wouldn't win anything this year but that 2 or 3 years down the line when these kids develop they would be a very good side indeed.

I was wrong, they are the best team in the comp already and in 2 years they will be frightening. The only thing that might stop them this year is if some of the youngsters freeze on the big stage, but there's no evidence that will happen so far.

The NRL comment is spot on, there are a handful of teams in Superleague good enough for the NRL, but in terms of their style Wigan look just like an NRL team. If they played over there they would be a playoff team without a doubt imo.