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Quote: Fully "People need to understand the difference between administration and liquidation first and foremost.

Administration a club is insolvent but it still operates under an administrator who tries to run it to the best of his or her ability, with the intention of having the creditor's best interests at heart. If he can't find the capital then it gets wound up. Therefore, automatic relegation would be unfair in the sense - IMO - until such a point the company is wound up.

If a club is liquidated or wound up then it will cease to exist and a new company will begin. Under this instance, it should restart at the bottom as a new club.

In terms of the penalty, there should ALWAYS be a penalty for going into administration irrespective of what happens post-admin. This is because no buyer is ever going to come in and pay ALL the club's debts otherwise they could have just done that before admin and saved such a penalty in the process.

My understanding is that the penalty is being doubled under P and R anyway to a maximum of 12 points (I believe).'"


Firstly, i was suggesting instant relegation down 1 level. not all the way to CC1 i'm not sure that came across.

I mentioned CC1 teams as where would they be relegated too? i'm more than happy for a Superleague team to be dropped to Championship.

Secondly in my view a club is 2 parts. playing part and business part. and yes the two are very heavily dependent on each other however they are different.

IF you protect their position to get the creditors the best possible return if the ship starts to flood then the whole thing is pointless, teams going down by playing buy the rules put their creditors at risk, creditors in sports teams know this before hand. Why should a team go down and suffer and their creditors suffer and yet a team poorly managed gets ring fenced to save some other people cash?

It seems its perfectly acceptable to watch teams go to the wall if they play badly and serves them right but mustn't let get relegated and lose their sales value via going under thats just no sporting.......

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Quote: Nomad81 "If they are prepared to gamble to live beyone their means for success then going into admin is part of that risk, it just seems that the risk is not sufficient to deter the practice.'"

Whatever the punishment for going into admin, it will never and can never be a deterrent to going into admin.

That has been my entire argument against the deduction in points, not to protect Bradford but the fact that the punishment we have is in no way a deterrent. The punishment achieves nothing.

You could have punishment that deducts Bradford's all their points for the next million years, you could send them to the Pennine league, it wouldn't matter, none of that is a deterrent to admin because the people who put them into admin are no longer there. They don't lose more because of it, they aren't punished by it.

The points deduction has zero influence on any party involved in the administration, it's doesn't punish the wrongdoers, and it doesn't help the creditors. It is utterly pointless and no help in us trying to achieve what we want to achieve.

People seem to think if we didn't have a pints deduction we would just have a queue of people waiting in line to throw money away buying an RL club. Investing it, running up huge debts, then throwing it all away by taking a club into admin. To me that's just a ridiculous supposition.

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You are right, but wasting your time, as there isn't anybody on the thread capable of making the distinction required, it is all just knee jerk nonsense.

Also the rules aren't about administration specifically, they are about insolvency events.

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So in 2015 if a club went into administration and was deducted 6 points. It would start the season on -6 and (in theory) could lose every game in the first phase. That -6 would get scrubbed to zero in the 3x8 sections and then they could just win a few games to get back up to SL for 2016.

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Quote: Shoe Shine Johnny "So in 2015 if a club went into administration and was deducted 6 points. It would start the season on -6 and (in theory) could lose every game in the first phase. That -6 would get scrubbed to zero in the 3x8 sections and then they could just win a few games to get back up to SL for 2016.'"


That's the word on the street folks!

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Quote: Shoe Shine Johnny "So in 2015 if a club went into administration and was deducted 6 points. It would start the season on -6 and (in theory) could lose every game in the first phase. That -6 would get scrubbed to zero in the 3x8 sections and then they could just win a few games to get back up to SL for 2016.'"

indeed, and if you were such a club would you bother trying to Qualify for a top 8 position with the reward being a competition nigh on impossible for you to win? Or would you throw the first part of the season and concentrate on making sure your senior players were ready for the 7 game season at the end?

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