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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"
I put the question in this way in the hope that our thicker contributors might at least consider that the simple act of being in administration is not, necessarly, such an evil thing that it requires huge punishment.
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No your right it is the desired state for any business to be in.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"The question is stupid. If a team goes into administration, let´s imagine bacuse the HMRC are about to close it down, and then over the next year or two sort their finances out, so nobody loses a penny WHY should they face any points penalty at all?
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Because someone will lost out. Otherwise what's point going into admin, and, why would the buyer not buy the club prior to it going into admin to avoid any penalty if he/she was going to pay off the debts.
Someone, somewhere is going to lose out and so there should be a penalty.
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| Quote Fully="Fully"Because someone will lost out. Otherwise what's point going into admin, and, why would the buyer not buy the club prior to it going into admin to avoid any penalty if he/she was going to pay off the debts.
Someone, somewhere is going to lose out and so there should be a penalty.'"
Cart before horse. The penalty should reflect the circumstances and especially how much any loss is going to be. The immediate point of admin is often to obtain temporary protection usually from one pressing creditor. Then either a deal is done, which the maj of creditors agree, and the company is saved, or a prrpsck is done where typically creditors lose out.
If you just have one fixed penalty for the simple fact of going into admin, THEN no creditors in this situation are likely to be paid, as what would be the point, from the new owners POV? All I am saying us you need to look at the overall result of the admin event, it's surely much more relevant. Not all administrations are equal. The penalty surely should reflect that.
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| Even if you reduce the points deduction for paying off debts,a club still needs to be a left with enough of a points deduction to make it not worth the risk of going into administration in the first place
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Not all administrations are equal.'"
True.
Which was better...your first or second admin in two years?
I liked the first one. The second lacked bleeding hearts, buckets and medal donations.
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| Quote dboy="dboy"True.
Which was better...your first or second admin in two years?
I liked the first one. The second lacked bleeding heart, buckets and medal donations.'"
LOL
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| Poll seems pretty damned conclusive.
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| Quote dboy="dboy"True.
Which was better...your first or second admin in two years?
I liked the first one. The second lacked bleeding hearts, buckets and medal donations.'"
I have never been put into administration.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"I have never been put into administration.'"
Have you ever had somebody take goods off you, then go into administration, meaning they dont have to pay you, only for them to ring you up a few days later requesting you to supply their ' new ' company as if nothing had happened?
Guess what? , it stinks
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Have you ever had somebody take goods off you, then go into administration, meaning they dont have to pay you, only for them to ring you up a few days later requesting you to supply their ' new ' company as if nothing had happened?
Guess what? , it stinks'"
Yep, got that T shirt.
But that's a point whichjust illustrates that there are different kinds of administrations. We also had one supplier where in the end a company VA was agreed and we ended up being paid in full albeit after maybe 3 years. That's not great but surely anyone would spot the difference?
And then there is another admin, where the business is sold by the administrator, to a purchaser who actually was never previously involved in the running (down) of the business. He may have taken on the name of the business but basically you need to weigh the new proprietors up like you would any new account, because that's what it is, if none of the incompetents who bust the previous company are anything to do with the new one.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"Yep, got that T shirt.
But that's a point whichjust illustrates that there are different kinds of administrations. We also had one supplier where in the end a company VA was agreed and we ended up being paid in full albeit after maybe 3 years. That's not great but surely anyone would spot the difference?
And then there is another admin, where the business is sold by the administrator, to a purchaser who actually was never previously involved in the running (down) of the business. He may have taken on the name of the business but basically you need to weigh the new proprietors up like you would any new account, because that's what it is, if none of the incompetents who bust the previous company are anything to do with the new one.'"
Yes, there are different kinds of administrations, just as there are different types of companies, sports companies tend to have their biggest cost being wages, primarily players wages, so there is no easy quick way to alter the financial operation of the club other than to invest heavily or reduce costs , Bradford did neither, but ultimatly there has to be a punishment, unfortunatley for Bradford relegation has returned
Tough, just live with it
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