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Quote: Superted "It is marginal, and you do see plenty of them, but it's still an illegal tackle - there has just been no consistency in dealing with these.

What the stand alone photo doesn't show you is that McLean comes in as a third man to a stationary tackle, where the 2 other defenders have stopped McKinnon moving, and wrapped up his upper body. He then grabs the inside of 1 leg and lifts his hips above his head - it is only marginal, a split second decision and I'm sure unintentional - he's just trying to effect the tackle and slow down a play the ball by putting McKinnon down - however, as soon as he makes the decision to 'lift', he automatically takes responsibility for ensuring a safe landing and stopping going over horizontal- this is something he could not guarantee or control in this instance. Instead of the lift, he could have used a technique to drag the player to the ground, but that takes longer and would likely have been penalised, hence the lift technique is coached as it's quicker, and has more impact.

Other than trying to slow down the ruck, there is no need for a 3rd man in a tackle to 'lift'. Usually the 2 man tackle is effective anyway, the third man is just trying to control the speed of the ruck - lifting is a dangerous way of doing this, as are cannon balls, 'stingers' into the ribs etc. They're grub tactics and as we've seen, once one team do it, it spreads like wild fire, as it's common across all of RL now - the authorities can easily clamp down on it by having stricter rules on exactly what a 3rd man in the tackle can/can't do, and hand out lengthy bans to those the break these rules, regardless of injury.'"


McClean is second into the tackle if not joint first(he makes initial contact at the same time as number 14 and well before number icon_cool.gif.

There is no way on earth any serious person could say he was 3rd into the tackle. Nevermind 3rd man into a stationary tackle. Watch it again. d040.gif

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Quote: ChrisGS "But the point is they might as well be let go. What's a penalty - assuming there is a penalty, I still contend in a lot of cases there isn't - without a suspension, preferably a significant suspension. Is it any sort of deterrent? Not really. If it was a genuine deterrent then these tackles wouldn't be frequently found in every game.

The NRL doesn't take them seriously and it's a joke that McLean received 7 weeks, all things considered. The number of incidents that have happened after the fact (and there's threads about this on Australian forums if you want to look) shows that the NRL care nothing about said tackles. They've scapegoated the Melbourne player and really ought to be ashamed of themselves for how they've handled the entire affair - and how they've conducted themselves prior to the injury.

I don't know how you could take any position other than the NRL are idiots and the punishment to McLean is excessive given how the judiciary usually turn a blind eye to those tackles.'"

You do know the NRL Judiciary, rightly or wrongly, take the severity of the injury into account when deciding punishments? He was charged with a Grade 2 dangerous throw (325 demerit points), and received 400 demerit points for the severity of the injury. With 100 points equalling 1 week suspension, there's your 7 weeks. Hardly a scapegoat when you break it down.

And it also explains why similar dangerous tackles that don't result in injury (the vast majority) receive more lenient punishments. Further, as with Docker, the early guilty can come in to play.

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Quote: OzWelsh "Regarding A McKinnon, I'm sure he'll walk again, Gwyn Jones can, and it looked a similar injury.'"


I wouldn't be too sure about that.

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One of the most sickening injuries I've ever had the misfortune of seeing in sport. I really really wish I hadn't watched it. It almost goes without saying that wish all the best for McKinnon, but I'll also spare a thought for McClean. Unless he is a stone cold 'person without a father' then he must be in pieces about it.

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Some really positive reports coming out in the last 24hrs and an emotional but positive vid of Alex online too. Still a long way to go for him and best not to get too carried away but he has feeling to his legs which is still a massive improvement on a few weeks ago.

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Quote: Nomad81 "Some really positive reports coming out in the last 24hrs and an emotional but positive vid of Alex online too. Still a long way to go for him and best not to get too carried away but he has feeling to his legs which is still a massive improvement on a few weeks ago.'"


Good to see him at Anzac Stadium this morning.
Knights put it all in for him but just came up short.

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