Quotegutterfax="gutterfax"It was an accident that 99% of people in the game as well as fans regard as a terrible terrible accident that happened as a result of a tackle that you will have seen hundreds of times prior'"
Yes and Accident however it was avoidable. Just because you see a tackle like that hundreds of times before doesn't make it safe. The fact its not been penalised previously shows a lack of fortitude in officialdom and yes players will play the ref. However if you play the ref and do things you know are against the rules (shoulders going below hips) then you are just as responsible if not more than the ref. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
QuoteNomad81="Nomad81"Yes and Accident however it was avoidable. Just because you see a tackle like that hundreds of times before doesn't make it safe. The fact its not been penalised previously shows a lack of fortitude in officialdom and yes players will play the ref. However if you play the ref and do things you know are against the rules (shoulders going below hips) then you are just as responsible if not more than the ref. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.'"
Agree with you 100%.
If the Knights want to get shirty with anyone, it should be the ARL/NRL because they are the ones responsible for "letting it slide" previously. Them coming down hard after the horse has bolted doesn't do anyone any favours and the Knights should be pointing that out rather than the defence used by Storm.
As I say, I believe that the NRL are as culpable (if not more than) anyone else in this tragic incident.
QuoteJEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Jordan McLean's brother, Tony McLean, has been sentenced to three years in prison in NSW for a vicious king-hit punch to the back of the head of a complete stranger, outside a pub in Orange NSW. The blow knocked the victim unconscious and led to a brain haemorrhage. One of the reasons for the three year sentence was the judge's opinion that McLean had shown no remorse after the attack.
I mention this not to indict Jordan McLean for deliberately causing this injury to Alex McKinnon, but to suggest that the family already has one bad apple in it , and that Jordan McLean now ought to show a bit of public remorse for his actions, which I have not seen so far.'"
You disgusting cockroach.
QuoteJEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Jordan McLean's brother, Tony McLean, has been sentenced to three years in prison in NSW for a vicious king-hit punch to the back of the head of a complete stranger, outside a pub in Orange NSW. The blow knocked the victim unconscious and led to a brain haemorrhage. One of the reasons for the three year sentence was the judge's opinion that McLean had shown no remorse after the attack.
I mention this not to indict Jordan McLean for deliberately causing this injury to Alex McKinnon, but to suggest that the family already has one bad apple in it , and that Jordan McLean now ought to show a bit of public remorse for his actions, which I have not seen so far.'"
QuoteJEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Jordan McLean's brother, Tony McLean, has been sentenced to three years in prison in NSW for a vicious king-hit punch to the back of the head of a complete stranger, outside a pub in Orange NSW. The blow knocked the victim unconscious and led to a brain haemorrhage. One of the reasons for the three year sentence was the judge's opinion that McLean had shown no remorse after the attack.
I mention this not to indict Jordan McLean for deliberately causing this injury to Alex McKinnon, but to suggest that the family already has one bad apple in it , and that Jordan McLean now ought to show a bit of public remorse for his actions, which I have not seen so far.'"
Pointless and deliberately spiteful yet post.
QuoteJEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Jordan McLean's brother, Tony McLean, has been sentenced to three years in prison in NSW for a vicious king-hit punch to the back of the head of a complete stranger, outside a pub in Orange NSW. The blow knocked the victim unconscious and led to a brain haemorrhage. One of the reasons for the three year sentence was the judge's opinion that McLean had shown no remorse after the attack.
I mention this not to indict Jordan McLean for deliberately causing this injury to Alex McKinnon, but to suggest that the family already has one bad apple in it , and that Jordan McLean now ought to show a bit of public remorse for his actions, which I have not seen so far.'"
QuoteJEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Jordan McLean's brother, Tony McLean, has been sentenced to three years in prison in NSW for a vicious king-hit punch to the back of the head of a complete stranger, outside a pub in Orange NSW. The blow knocked the victim unconscious and led to a brain haemorrhage. One of the reasons for the three year sentence was the judge's opinion that McLean had shown no remorse after the attack.
I mention this not to indict Jordan McLean for deliberately causing this injury to Alex McKinnon, but to suggest that the family already has one bad apple in it , and that Jordan McLean now ought to show a bit of public remorse for his actions, which I have not seen so far.'"
Oxford English Dictionary;
'Capdouze'
Noun
"Attention seeking bell end"
Not to be confused with the end of a bell.......or a Frenchman
QuoteJEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Jordan McLean's brother, Tony McLean, has been sentenced to three years in prison in NSW for a vicious king-hit punch to the back of the head of a complete stranger, outside a pub in Orange NSW. The blow knocked the victim unconscious and led to a brain haemorrhage. One of the reasons for the three year sentence was the judge's opinion that McLean had shown no remorse after the attack.
I mention this not to indict Jordan McLean for deliberately causing this injury to Alex McKinnon, but to suggest that the family already has one bad apple in it , and that Jordan McLean now ought to show a bit of public remorse for his actions, which I have not seen so far.'"
Oxford English Dictionary;
'Capdouze'
Noun
"Attention seeking bell end"
Not to be confused with the end of a bell.......or a Frenchman
Legal advice seems to be that McKinnon would have every chance of success if he followed the precedents of Jarrod McCraken and Steve Rogers and brought a civil case for damages against the players and club involved.
Melbourne are probably taking the heartless course of trying to blame McKinnon for his own injuries and minimise the penalties to their players because they know this is going to lead to a big payout in the future, and they are already trying to establish their case.
It comes across as heartless.
I think it would come across better for them in the long run if they put their hands up and showed some remorse.
Quoteroopy="roopy"Legal advice seems to be that McKinnon would have every chance of success if he followed the precedents of Jarrod McCraken and Steve Rogers and brought a civil case for damages against the players and club involved.
Melbourne are probably taking the heartless course of trying to blame McKinnon for his own injuries and minimise the penalties to their players because they know this is going to lead to a big payout in the future, and they are already trying to establish their case.
It comes across as heartless.
I think it would come across better for them in the long run if they put their hands up and showed some remorse.'"
Is that legal advisor chasing an ambulance whilst commenting?
The responsibility lies primarily with the tacklers here but the onfield officials just have to be pro-active in whistling or instructing before this type of thing follows through. the moment the hands went between the legs or it was clear the tackle was going to end badly the ref should be blowing immediately. they have two refs for precisely this type of thing.
IMO there is no need for the micturate poor tackle technique..none whatsoever but as others have said it gets let by without due consideration to outcomes like this..
I only ask as it's horizontal yes, but my god it's marginal.
The tackler on the legs is more of a pivot, it's the weight of the 2 men on top that seem to be forcing down. And put quite simply putting the man down is the purpose of a tackle.
I do think people are trying to micro manage elements of physics where not one of those players is in full control. they are all making independent movements that contribute to the final act.
If it's not the tackle in question then fair enough, but I was expecting more of a spear.
I think it would be hard to sue anyone on that. You could play 1000'sof similar tackles in defense showing there is little difference in the actions taken.
The only real solution from that tackle in the photo would to ban tackling, as the lift is marginal, I imagine the speed was quick. how the ref steps in, or the players realize what is going on is beyond me.
I've purposely avoided watching the incident. But is that photo a picture of the tackle in question???
I only ask as it's horizontal yes, but my god it's marginal.
The tackler on the legs is more of a pivot, it's the weight of the 2 men on top that seem to be forcing down. And put quite simply putting the man down is the purpose of a tackle.
I do think people are trying to micro manage elements of physics where not one of those players is in full control. they are all making independent movements that contribute to the final act.
If it's not the tackle in question then fair enough, but I was expecting more of a spear.
I think it would be hard to sue anyone on that. You could play 1000'sof similar tackles in defense showing there is little difference in the actions taken.
The only real solution from that tackle in the photo would to ban tackling, as the lift is marginal, I imagine the speed was quick. how the ref steps in, or the players realize what is going on is beyond me.
I only ask as it's horizontal yes, but my god it's marginal.
The tackler on the legs is more of a pivot, it's the weight of the 2 men on top that seem to be forcing down. And put quite simply putting the man down is the purpose of a tackle.
I do think people are trying to micro manage elements of physics where not one of those players is in full control. they are all making independent movements that contribute to the final act.
If it's not the tackle in question then fair enough, but I was expecting more of a spear.
I think it would be hard to sue anyone on that. You could play 1000'sof similar tackles in defense showing there is little difference in the actions taken.
The only real solution from that tackle in the photo would to ban tackling, as the lift is marginal, I imagine the speed was quick. how the ref steps in, or the players realize what is going on is beyond me.'"
It is marginal, and you do see plenty of them, but it's still an illegal tackle - there has just been no consistency in dealing with these.
What the stand alone photo doesn't show you is that McLean comes in as a third man to a stationary tackle, where the 2 other defenders have stopped McKinnon moving, and wrapped up his upper body. He then grabs the inside of 1 leg and lifts his hips above his head - it is only marginal, a split second decision and I'm sure unintentional - he's just trying to effect the tackle and slow down a play the ball by putting McKinnon down - however, as soon as he makes the decision to 'lift', he automatically takes responsibility for ensuring a safe landing and stopping going over horizontal- this is something he could not guarantee or control in this instance. Instead of the lift, he could have used a technique to drag the player to the ground, but that takes longer and would likely have been penalised, hence the lift technique is coached as it's quicker, and has more impact.
Other than trying to slow down the ruck, there is no need for a 3rd man in a tackle to 'lift'. Usually the 2 man tackle is effective anyway, the third man is just trying to control the speed of the ruck - lifting is a dangerous way of doing this, as are cannon balls, 'stingers' into the ribs etc. They're grub tactics and as we've seen, once one team do it, it spreads like wild fire, as it's common across all of RL now - the authorities can easily clamp down on it by having stricter rules on exactly what a 3rd man in the tackle can/can't do, and hand out lengthy bans to those the break these rules, regardless of injury.
Quotebewareshadows="bewareshadows"I've purposely avoided watching the incident. But is that photo a picture of the tackle in question???
I only ask as it's horizontal yes, but my god it's marginal.
The tackler on the legs is more of a pivot, it's the weight of the 2 men on top that seem to be forcing down. And put quite simply putting the man down is the purpose of a tackle.
I do think people are trying to micro manage elements of physics where not one of those players is in full control. they are all making independent movements that contribute to the final act.
If it's not the tackle in question then fair enough, but I was expecting more of a spear.
I think it would be hard to sue anyone on that. You could play 1000'sof similar tackles in defense showing there is little difference in the actions taken.
The only real solution from that tackle in the photo would to ban tackling, as the lift is marginal, I imagine the speed was quick. how the ref steps in, or the players realize what is going on is beyond me.'"
It is marginal, and you do see plenty of them, but it's still an illegal tackle - there has just been no consistency in dealing with these.
What the stand alone photo doesn't show you is that McLean comes in as a third man to a stationary tackle, where the 2 other defenders have stopped McKinnon moving, and wrapped up his upper body. He then grabs the inside of 1 leg and lifts his hips above his head - it is only marginal, a split second decision and I'm sure unintentional - he's just trying to effect the tackle and slow down a play the ball by putting McKinnon down - however, as soon as he makes the decision to 'lift', he automatically takes responsibility for ensuring a safe landing and stopping going over horizontal- this is something he could not guarantee or control in this instance. Instead of the lift, he could have used a technique to drag the player to the ground, but that takes longer and would likely have been penalised, hence the lift technique is coached as it's quicker, and has more impact.
Other than trying to slow down the ruck, there is no need for a 3rd man in a tackle to 'lift'. Usually the 2 man tackle is effective anyway, the third man is just trying to control the speed of the ruck - lifting is a dangerous way of doing this, as are cannon balls, 'stingers' into the ribs etc. They're grub tactics and as we've seen, once one team do it, it spreads like wild fire, as it's common across all of RL now - the authorities can easily clamp down on it by having stricter rules on exactly what a 3rd man in the tackle can/can't do, and hand out lengthy bans to those the break these rules, regardless of injury.
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