So who is it that doesn't understand the knock on rule - Stuart Cummins or Ganson/Smith? My monies on the latter.

I'll admit I am still slightly confused.

If you bobble a ball in your hands, but the final momentum is backwards. Then it's not a knock on (I know FA did the whole it's a knock on but permitted, but can we just assume a knock on is the non-permitted type).

If you juggle the ball and kick it forwards it's not a knock on.

If you drop a ball and kick it as it hits the floor it's not a knock on - drop goal.

If you knock a ball backwards accidentally, then it's not a knock on.

But if you drop a ball forwards and it goes back off a part of your body, you have to prove it was intentional for it to not be a knock on????

You see what I mean, you can fubble a ball backwards and it not be a knock on ie facing your own line.

But if you fubble a ball forwards, then fubble it backwards with the hands it's not a knock on.

But fubble a ball forwards and then fubble it backwards with any other part of the body and intent is called into question.

Seems a bit inconsistent.

I would have thought it would be a fumble forwards, then hitting another player or ground that was the deciding factor, not whether it hits yourself??

well sort of, he obviously wasn't certain and suspected a knock on MAY have occurred, else he wouldn't have asked about it.

You ignore that he KNOWS the referral rule. So if there is a tackle, and play stops, no immediate great dmage is necessarily doen; whereas if there is no tackle and the next thing is a try, it can be checked. And was.

This is not perfect, but i think we all agree that it is far better than when the VR could go back further than the last PTB. The rule has to have a dividing line somewhere and there will always be an artguable consequence, and always hard cases.


So for the reasons stated it was not "stupid", no solution is perfect. I understand your point but would respond that had the try stood, it would have been an injustice. Answer that!


You say so, and indeed you are right. So as the players knew what seemed to have happened, as much as any ref, that option was theirs to take, and they chose not to take it. Is that the ref's fault too?

Same thing happened to Leeds last season at magic.

Leeds can't really ever complain about Magic again, though