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Quote: bramleyrhino "I really don't think it's that much of a problem as is made out.

Lots of people on here look at penalty counts as a stick with which to beat referees. If a penalty count is skewed, it must be because a ref is favouring a team, right?

The better teams tend to end up on the right side of a penalty count not because the referee has a bias, but because the better teams are usually stronger, faster, better disciplined and smarter - attributes that naturally force opponents into making mistakes.

Catalans make this complaint a lot, yet watch some of their games and tell me that there poor disciplinary record isn't fully deserved.'"


I agree to an extent that better teams can generate penalties against the opposition, what is a better test is when you see a couple of average teams and one side gets a particularly rough ride, something I've seen more than my fair share of. And it's not always about the number of penalties, it can be around the distribution. Getting the benefit of 5 penalties in the last 5 minutes when your 20 points down might even the count but it doesn't have the same impact as getting them when you're still in contention, same with refs who start clamping down on persistent offside in the last 10 mins of a game, or wise up to borderline smart tactics long after the game has gone as a contest.

When I first came to London and started watching the Broncos regularly as a neutral it was quite an eye opener, I'd been used to Knowsley Road where the pop gave most of the forward pass decisions, and it wasn't just the 50/50 calls that went against the home side, the sense of injustice is one of the things that actually hooked me. My suspicion was that the parochialism that is present in much of RL's fan base, and in not a few administrators didn't magically stop when it got to officials. About ten years ago now a played in an amateur game at South London where the ref was a former SL official, a northerner, he was passionate about the idea of expansion and was happy to drive stupid distances to ref amaterur games in London. In the bar afterwards he told us of the night before a Broncos game a few years before when a well known former ref (whose name I won't mention) called his team of officials together and told them that he wasn't "going to give the Broncos anything tomorrow" and to bear it in mind.

Now the anecdote above is an extreme case, but London and Catalans are seen as outsiders to a part of British RL, it's foolish to even deny it. And even if officials do try to keep their entirely human biases in check it's difficult because certain things will always be in the back of the mind. In the early years of SL my Dad always used to moan about the Broncos playing like an Australian team, not because they were particularly dirty but because they played a physical game and not the "British" style. Around the same period he had it in for Leeds who were arguably played a far more dubious style with the likes of Newton, Barrie M, Morley and Fleary taking it in turns to push the boundaries of acceptable conduct, but London were outsiders and Leeds weren't. These days London are no longer a threat to anybody but themselves, but Catalans are, and I think that means their physical style will attract more attention than it would if they were another club.

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Well you have done a very good job of exaggerating everything I said and seemed to get the wrong end of the stick.
With me saying “we” I would be surprised if you could find anyone who didn’t agree that those two tackles should have had the same punishment.
I also didn’t make any point for fans to be on the panel for disciplinary. It was in general that the RFL don’t listen to fans on any matters that would affect them.

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Quote: MOT "Well you have done a very good job of exaggerating everything I said and seemed to get the wrong end of the stick.
With me saying “we” I would be surprised if you could find anyone who didn’t agree that those two tackles should have had the same punishment. '"

You didn't read the thread about it then? Plenty disagreed. Like on any given incident.

Quote: MOT "I also didn’t make any point for fans to be on the panel for disciplinary. It was in general that the RFL don’t listen to fans on any matters that would affect them.'"

So your comment is just meaningless, then. And you don't propose any particular mechanism by which the RFL could "listen to the fans" in any particular way.

Can you at least give an example of where the RFL has not "listened to the fans"? I mean, I am asking for just one example. The question isn't loaded, I am just interested in what you mean when you say this, because I can't immediately think of any single instance where a unanimous "fans' voice" has spoken to the RFL but been "not listened to".

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The RFL are going to hit Hudgell with a fine, despite a lot of support from fans, chairman and players across the game. Unbelievable'"

He will need a good lawyer. For all that I find myself agreeing with him. Never thought the day would come.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "He deserves every penny of it. The match review panel have a boatload more technical RL knowledge than the ambulance chaser, even the example that he chose was a dumb play to the crowds.'"

That doesn't mean his aggrievance doesn't need addressing, not that he needs educating in the error of his ways.

It's all good slapping a fine on someone, but if they aren't sure what they've done, or don't believe what they did was wrong, they're gonna do it again!

Nobody seems to know how this system works.

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Quote: BartonFlyer "Not quite true - forom TwitterMarwan Koukash ‏@drmarwanK 56m
Another strong voice for RL, the HKR Chairman @NeilHudgell . Give him a follow'"

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