Dr Khoukash just got permission from Swinton Council to build a ne stadium coupled with retail in central Swinton and now intends to buy the Swinton club so a second Manchester club could emerge.

Now if Oldham but find a crazy billionaire RL in Manchester could return to the glories of yesteryear.

Did you type that with your feet?

Correct you didnt say it, but you meant it, thats how you think, you want SL clubs or nothing, I want RL clubs with fans that are willing to pay to watch them, and players who want to get paid to play for them, how far up the RL ladder those clubs then want to rise is up to them, nowhere have I suggested a limit to their ambition

Although I think it more likely that like people, they learn to crawl, then walk before they enter the 100 metres at the Olympics

I didnt say only council stadiums, just that IMO there is more potential if they are

So you expect new clubs to instantly achieve attendances higher than most of our current SL clubs? ,maybe you could provide the RFL with this magic formula

Maybe you are right, while all these football clubs havent been up to Red Hall all asking if they can have a SL licence, god only knows, then again a couple of years ago I attended a match at Bramhall Lane, they could have just opened the dugouts to accomadate the home fans, surely a ' model ' that works

Easy to address the reason why it hasnt happened, about 10 times as much extra investement as I am suggesting, so which is more likely?

No, you just suggested a clear and obvious barrier to their ambition

There is a reason why sport England will fund the young sprinters with the most potential for the Olympics, and far less for those without the potential

Well we have had over a hundred years of creeping expansion, it hasn't got us very far.

How many SL matches have been staged at bramall lane? Your asking why a football stadium wouldn't sell out for a semi-pro RL side with next to no marketing budget? Either way it's irrelevant because it would be almost the opposite of what I suggested

I'd be generous if I said we've had over a hundred years of half-assed expansionism attempts. 'Creeping expansionists' haven't been supported in their efforts, and much time, money and momentum has been wasted on big projects for clubs that clearly weren't / aren't even close to being ready for the big time.

Rugby League has been poor at consistently targeting it's resources and keeping a longterm plan in place.

So if we somehow find our relatively new RL club regularily filling its say 6,000 capacity stadium, they arent allowed to move to a bigger one, or make plans to get their existing one enlarged?

But we arent talking about our best, we are discussing our newest, I doubt youll find many 3 year olds being funded by sport England

So you are suggesting dropping new clubs straight into SL again ?

Far more time and money has been spent on small clubs in the areas surrounding where we are strong and have been for the last 100 and odd years, we have attempted 4 times in the past 100 years to move even slightly from our heartlands, only once was it done with some kind of long term investment, plan and preparation. Its no coincidence that it was an unmitigated success. We have now put the gains made by that at risk of ‘catastrophe’.

nobody would disagree with that.

Are you suggesting the ‘organic growth’ that hasn’t happened in over 100years of Rugby League? That a club will grow through the levels to the top, even though over a century of history tells us it doesn’t happen?