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So do I...


Dunno bud, you're not even sure what the automatic sanction should be or on what page/ paragraph it is to be found on in the Bye-Laws.

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RFL introduce insolvency rules
26th of February 2006

The RFL has introduced new rules relating to professional clubs who undertake acts of insolvency.

Following the agreement of the RFL Council and a change in the sport's Operational rules, the new regulations will apply at both engage Super League and LHF National League level with immediate effect.

Any club undertaking an act of insolvency will now face an automatic deduction of six competition points.

If the act of insolvency occurs during the season, the deduction will apply with immediate effect. If the insolvency occurs in the close season period, the deduction would apply to the next League campaign.

The RFL's Director of Finance and Chief Operating Officer, Nigel Wood, said: ‚"Having reviewed the Rules in respect of club insolvency it was widely felt that some punitive measure needed to be imposed on clubs, who it could be argued, had obtained a competitive advantage over their rivals as a consequence of unaffordable overspending.

"The game unanimously supports the imposition of a points deduction which will address this imbalance."

Also, in a further proactive step to improve club financial management, all engage Super League and LHF National League clubs will now be required to regularly demonstrate to the RFL that their statutory financial responsibilities are being carried out with due probity.

Wood added: ‚"The new rules are intended to provide an early warning system in respect of clubs falling into arrears with their statutory obligations.

"Whilst these new regulations cannot guarantee that clubs will never again face financial difficulties, at least they provide for the possibility of an earlier intervention."

Far far from it fella, I'm absolutely certain of what the punishment should be, I've stated it a number of times, pointed out the precedent and named examples. I've been consistent throughout the whole debate going back a number of weeks. Even when others were calling for Bradford to be demoted I maintained that that wasn't what I wanted as despite Wakefield apparently being threatened with such there actualy wasn't a precedent for it.

I asked earlier, can you name me a recent example of a Super League Club entering Administration and NOT initially being deducted 6 competition points?

Thank you William Eve

Except...those regulations are no longer in the Operational Rules.

They were removed in a subsequent update.

The part re financial obligations - most specifically, ensuring HMRC is paid on time - remains, and has been beefed up a bit IIRC.

Go check them out on the RFL website.

btw. Where was the bit in those rules about mitigation of penalty, as happened with Wakey?

Link?

Have you never heard of Google? Anyway [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/operational_rules[ihere[/i[/url

Btw, you will note the wording in those old regulations refers to "an act of insolvency". NOT "Administration".

Salford committed an "act of insolvency" recently, by entering into a CVA. Remind me again what their points deduction was?

(btw, IMO the coreect decision was taken there. No brainer).

Wakefield.

They were deducted four points, a week after the administrator was appointed. They were not deducted six points, then had two points restored.

Jeeze Ses, its William Eve AKA little willie....and, as one would expect, its duff info; out if date as well.

Not yet, but give it a week or two


The point im making is that although there is precedence there is no current operational rule that specifies anything. It's all case by case. So If 6 can be reduced to 4, would it also not follow that 6 could be reduced to 4, 2 or 0? Depending upon the specifics of the case and level to which creditors are fecked or not?

To give u some context, I agree we should be dealt with by precedent and depending on the level of creditor payment or not in this case we should receive a points deduction. Because although it's not in the rules, I think it should be as a deterrent, and to be the only club to enter admin, not receive a deduction, and in a relegation year would not sit comfortably with me, no matter what the rules say or don't say.

Common ground and common sense, at last!

My opinion fwiw, you can't completely ignore the Administration even if all the creditors were paid and there'd have to be unbelievable and extenuating circumstances for a points deduction to be less than 4.