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| Quote Sesquipedalian="Sesquipedalian"snip'"
Cheers bud, like others, I am genuinely unaware/ forgotten the circs of your club during 2011 - 12, its good to get somethin other than rhetoric. Thing is(and at the risk of sounding lame(r)) I was kinda shocked to see Bulls fans being referred to as scum on one of the social media sites...Its time to dial back abit and deal in fact rather than rumour and hearsay, regardless of its source.
So we know the RFL sanction for an Insolvency Event can be anything from a 0 to 6 point deduction, depending on intent and coming to agreements with creditors...This view would also be consistent with recent statements by Nigel Wood and Blake Solly.
I’m not sure where the problem is tbh...(So far) The RFL appear to be acting entirely within precedent? No point placing a sanction until all the details are in...they’d only be accused of indecisiveness  .
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| It's my understanding that the RFL sanction for Administration is 6pts, not 0 to 6 pts!
-6pts is the starting point, the behaviour of the new owners towards paying creditors can see the -6pts retrospectively reduced to -4pts. What's so hard to understand?
I never mentioned HMRC or any other creditors apart from the two I know, it's as safe to assume they were all paid immediately as it is to assume they waited 4 weeks. The fact is we don't know and there's no reason why we should know. However, in the case of Wakefield we know that the RFL were satisfied that the creditors were or would be paid and were therefore happy to reduce Wakefields Administration penalty from -6pts to -4pts. Maybe Andrew Glover placed funds intended for creditors in an ESCROW acct, maybe he bank transferred the money to each creditor while Nigel Wood peeked over his shoulder.
What you seem incapable of grasping is that the precedent for an insolvency event like Administration is set and it dictates a 6 point deduction immediately and, as I said earlier, the new owners can see that retrospectively reduced to 4 points if, IF they can satisfy the RFL that they have paid a significant amount of the previous owners debt off!
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| Quote Sesquipedalian="Sesquipedalian"It's my understanding that the RFL sanction for Administration is 6pts, not 0 to 6 pts!'"
Your understanding is wrong...unless you can link or post the actual RFL Bye-Law of course...
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| Quote joedynamo="joedynamo"Your understanding is wrong...unless you can link or post the actual RFL Bye-Law of course...'"
I can quote Wakefield, Crusaders and Bradford as 3 clubs who have all been subject to that sanction and in Wakefields case the subsequent reduction to 4pts
Can you quote me recent cases where a SL team has entered Administration and hasn't been subjected the that sanction.
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| Quote Sesquipedalian="Sesquipedalian"I can quote Wakefield, Crusaders and Bradford as 3 clubs who ave all been subject to that sanction and in Wakefields cases the subsequent reduction to 4pts
Can you quote me recent cases where a SL team has entered Administration and hasn't been subjected the that sanction.'"
So you cannot or are unwilling to, quote the relevant RFL Bye-Law which will back up both yours and Wooden Stands assertion of an automatic penalty....
Circles again bud.
Seeya.
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| Quote joedynamo="joedynamo"So you cannot or are unwilling to, quote the relevant RFL Bye-Law which will back up both yours and Wooden Stands assertion of an automatic penalty....
Circles again bud.
Seeya.'"
FFS!
You're in denial!
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| Quote Sesquipedalian="Sesquipedalian"What you seem incapable of grasping is that the precedent for an insolvency event like Administration is set and it dictates a 6 point deduction immediately and, as I said earlier, the new owners can see that retrospectively reduced to 4 points if, IF they can satisfy the RFL that they have paid a significant amount of the previous owners debt off!'"
Show us where it says any of this in the Operational Rules?
I do not for one second believe those of the Wakey creditors who were paid off were paid "immediately".
My understanding, btw, was that it was that it was a relatively small proportion of the total value who WERE paid, but that was only third-hand hence me asking - again - for the actual numbers - and, now, dates of payment - that so many seem to be so sure of? I really WOULD like to know.
You just can't seem to grasp that you are demanding different treatment for the Bulls now than was the case for Wakey. Or, at the very best, you totally lack ANY of the necessary information required for ANY of us to make a more informed judgment.
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| Quote Sesquipedalian="Sesquipedalian"FFS!
You're in denial!'"
No.
You are making statements that you cannot substantiate.
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| Quote Adeybull="Adeybull"Show us where it says any of this in the Operational Rules?
I do not for one second believe those of the Wakey creditors who were paid off were paid "immediately".
My understanding, btw, was that it was that it was a relatively small proportion of the total value who WERE paid, but that was only third-hand hence me asking - again - for the actual numbers - and, now, dates of payment - that so many seem to be so sure of? I really WOULD like to know.
You just can't seem to grasp that you are demanding different treatment for the Bulls now than was the case for Wakey. Or, at the very best, you totally lack ANY of the necessary information required for ANY of us to make a more informed judgment.'"
See my last post!
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| Quote Sesquipedalian="Sesquipedalian"FFS!
You're in denial!'"
Nah, Yorkshire... 
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| Quote Adeybull="Adeybull"No.
You are making statements that you cannot substantiate.'"
Which statement, the one where the last 3 clubs to enter administration were deducted 6pts or the one where I state that a precedent has been set?
On second thoughts, don't bother. . . Bradford haven't really been in Adminstration, they don't have any creditors in fact their still World Club Champions and SL Grand Final winners..wake up fella!
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