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Quote: Roy Haggerty "It's become a cliché - almost a reflex - of RL fans on this side of the world to make statements like "This isn't a classic Australian side", or "This is a sub-standard Kangaroos squad" when the green and golds hove into view. Usually such a statement is made in the context of trying to show just how poor the England/GB side is, because they can't even beat a weakened Roos team. I've certainly heard that this time round, and indeed certainly every tournament since the 1995 World Cup.

I'm here to say that such statements are b@llox. Anyone claiming this isn't a superb Kangaroos side is talking out of their Harris, and has no greater value than an old fella moaning that nothing's as good as Van Vollenhoven/Boston/Huddart etc.

The reason I've heard given for why this set of Aussies are "not a classic side" is because they don't have stand-out players like a Lockyer, a Lewis or a Meninga. Cobblers. The reason they don't have particularly stand-out players is because they are ALL stand-out players. It's like saying that the Louvre's collection of art is weak because none of the works stand out.

Smith, Thurston, Cronk, Inglis, Slater, Thaiday, Gallen
There is much of your post that I agree with. The 2013 Kangaroos are a very good team and totally dominated a Kiwi team that many were saying were on their way to another World Cup win when they strolled through their group

What I don’t agree with is the specific status that you apply to certain players. We have been watching International RL for a similar length of time, I started with the 1986 Kangaroos but I watched a lot of the ’78 and ’82 games also

You state that Smith, Thurston, Cronk, Inglis, Slater, Thaiday and Gallen would walk into any Australian team since 1982 (“and their team mates” but I won’t address that bit). I agree about Smith and Slater and probably Inglis but for Thurston to walk into any team means he is better than Wally Lewis from 1986 or Lockyer more recently. While I agree that Thurston is very good, I don’t think he is better than these two (or even Kenny or Fittler)

And for Cronk to walk into any side he would need to be better than Sterling or Langer but, most importantly, better than Andrew Johns. Cronk is a good player but he is simply not better than Andrew Johns

I would take a number of second rowers over Thaiday including Noel Cleal and Bradley Clyde was a better loose forward than Gallen

So, while the 2013 variety of the Kangaroos are a good side, I think only three of them would push for a spot in my all-time Kangaroo team, Smith at hooker, Slater at full back and perhaps Inglis at centre (although he would have very stiff competition from the likes of Gene Miles, Mal Meninga and Steve Rogers to name just a few)

p.s. I don’t think the Louvre was a very good comparison to use as one piece hanging in the Louvre does stand out as the single greatest masterpiece in art

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Quote: Roy Haggerty "It's become a cliché - almost a reflex - of RL fans on this side of the world to make statements like "This isn't a classic Australian side", or "This is a sub-standard Kangaroos squad" when the green and golds hove into view. Usually such a statement is made in the context of trying to show just how poor the England/GB side is, because they can't even beat a weakened Roos team. I've certainly heard that this time round, and indeed certainly every tournament since the 1995 World Cup.

I'm here to say that such statements are b@llox. Anyone claiming this isn't a superb Kangaroos side is talking out of their Harris, and has no greater value than an old fella moaning that nothing's as good as Van Vollenhoven/Boston/Huddart etc.

The reason I've heard given for why this set of Aussies are "not a classic side" is because they don't have stand-out players like a Lockyer, a Lewis or a Meninga. Cobblers. The reason they don't have particularly stand-out players is because they are ALL stand-out players. It's like saying that the Louvre's collection of art is weak because none of the works stand out.

Smith, Thurston, Cronk, Inglis, Slater, Thaiday, Gallen

All that on one game - you really are a silly old windbag at times.

But hey you're a legend in your own head so how dare a mere mortal question your arrogant assumptions.

Better than us certainly but far from unbeatable, get a grip.

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Quote: vastman "All that on one game - you really are a silly old windbag at times.

But hey you're a legend in your own head so how dare a mere mortal question your arrogant assumptions.

Better than us certainly but far from unbeatable, get a grip.'"


It wasn't on one game. I explicitly referenced their performances across the whole competition.

Nor did I make any assumptions. Merely offered an opinion.

Most people on this thread have managed to offer their own opinion, either in agreement or disagreement, in a civil, rasonable manner. Like adults discussing something of interest.

You decided to just go straight for the personal insults. Nicely done. Congratulations on your contribution.

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The way this discussion has gone reminded me of a video clip from a popular video clip site.

Searching for something like "Jarryd Hayne's Freakish Chip" could bring something up.

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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Billy Slater, Greg Inglis and Johnathan Thurston would be rated equal to the best backs Australia has ever had (the Immortal Andrew Johns excepted).

Jarryd Hayne, having been repositioned at centre, could well turn out to be one of the best international centres Australia has ever produced (he kept Michael Jennings, Brent Tate and Josh Morris out of the team).'"


Always thought Thurston was overrated,( in an all time list) very very good but not great, my opinion has changed over this World Cup I now think he is up there with the very best, 3 rd behind Johns and sterling for me now, ahead of Langer. And he still as a few years ahead of him.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



2013
Australia conceded 4 tries all tournament....272-24.......45-4 average WINNERS

2008.
Australia conceded 3 tries in pool play (9 in total)186-50....37-8 average SECOND

2000
Australia 3 tries in pool play (11 in total)...308-58 over 6 games...51-10 average WINNERS

89-92
Australia conceded 11 tries over 5 games......214-54...... 43-11 average WINNERS

980-186..........44-8 average.

I'd say that based on the last 4 RLWC's the current champions are the most efficient with an average winning margin of 41 points and conceding only 1 try per game on average.....in reality, 5 games they conceded no tries! The 2000 side did score more points, but the 2013 side did face far more professional players from the NRL/SL representing Fiji/Ireland/USA than they did in 2000.

The depressing thing is that even with their loss in 2008, they are the most dominant force in International sport that I can think of....

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