FORUMS > The Virtual Terrace > England vs New Zealand: Match play reports and analysis |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 33944 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2016 | Mar 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
|
| Quote: SmokeyTA "If there is one place we can apportion ‘blame’ it probably is there. NZ scored of a good set, they got a penalty from Gurgess’s high tackle but props make high tackles, it happens.
The Kiwis with secondds to go ran a quick, quality set of 6, twice. They didn’t panic they ran their sets as they practiced. When a kick to the corner, even going to touch 10-20metres would have likely won England the game, we didn’t organise a set to get our best kicker on the ball, in a bit of space to get a decent, not even necessarily brilliant kick away to close the game down. Instead we were panicked in to a poor kick from Widdop that went pretty much straight up. That’s maybe 30metres we lost in territory by not having that ‘close down’ game plan. That is something to learn from and work on.'"
The Kiwi's pressurised Widdop for his kick but it was the unpressured kick by Sinfield that was poor
But as I said history now
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 14082 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2017 | Feb 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
9857_1341488583.jpg WEST COAST PIRATES
NRL expansion? Sometime soon, maybe......:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_9857.jpg |
|
| such is RL! I don't think anyone can and is blaming that one event, it was a number of key moments where poor decisions were made or plays poorly executed, any one of them done right may have made a difference, sadly for Sinfield his just happened to be the last opportunity to win the game and he fluffed it. Coach has to take a big portion of the blame, who in a game as tough as we knew that would be decided to play a 15 man squad? Having one sub on the bench not used and one barely used is insanity and not surprisng that on the last qtr of each half was when we looked the poorest.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14845 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2021 | Jul 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
143_1357419061.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_143.jpg |
|
| Quote: ThePrinter "The thing which is a killer about it (and again why i think Sinfield's decision to go for Johnson was correct) is that if the pass from dummy half is straight to Johnson where he's expecting it to go then Sinfield hits him just as he gets it. You can see on the replay that Johnson actually has to take 2 steps back to take it and it creates just enough of a gap between him and Sinfield whom had managed to reached the exact spot Johnson was stood when the pass originally set off.
Weird thing sport when if New Zealand produced a neater pass at that time they'd have lost and been out.'"
That's true - but the pass was a bit looped and so took longer to arrive and so allowed a little more time to get there.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 7080 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
59880_1480501182.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_59880.jpg |
|
| Quote: ThePrinter "The thing which is a killer about it (and again why i think Sinfield's decision to go for Johnson was correct) is that if the pass from dummy half is straight to Johnson where he's expecting it to go then Sinfield hits him just as he gets it. You can see on the replay that Johnson actually has to take 2 steps back to take it and it creates just enough of a gap between him and Sinfield whom had managed to reached the exact spot Johnson was stood when the pass originally set off.
Weird thing sport when if New Zealand produced a neater pass at that time they'd have lost and been out.'"
I don't think it is the correct call though Printer as NZ scored. That's the thing shooting out of the line, it's all it nothing. IF Sinfield shot out of the line and nailed him, He would have been a hero, but as he missed the tackle its game over. If he holds his line, yes NZ have an overlap, but doesn't necessarily mean they score, it has to go two pairs of hands to reach the winger, if which Charnley or Watkins could have stopped it, it NZ had to do killer pass.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 4239 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2013 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2024 | Jun 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
实事求是!: |
|
| I agree, i always say, if you shoot out of the line you MUST make the tackle, or at least halt the attacker, if you don't theres havoc in the defensive line.
What happened happened, unfortunatley. It's a team game for 80 minutes and theres a whole bunch of things that go into it. The entire structure of englands last 2 sets was poor and that is what they should take out of this. Not that a player missed a tackle with 20 seconds to go, but that they weren't able to play smart football under severe pressure.
It doesn't get any easier, next season we go down under into the lions den.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 1109 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2017 | Nov 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| Just tried to read most of this thread.
Where is there a mention of Ben Cummins in all this? In the first place, two series of penalties in the second half - one series to NZ, one series to Eng - decided which team would hold the ascendancy and for how long. It really didn't seem to me that either side changed their approach at the PTB throughout the game but Cummins had a spell where he got fussy with England and then a second spell where he got fussy with NZ.
Second, Cummins allows the game to be played very slowly. Not only does he penalise a lot, he also allows big breaks in play at scrums, goal-line drop-outs. I think each half lasted about 46 minutes.
Re. issue 1, we have this same problem whenever we get two world-class teams making relatively few errors - refs become absolutely crucial. When neither side can win the arm wrestle nor score from outside 20m, penalties are decisive. SoO faced this issue and refs were encouraged to let most things go. I wonder what would have happened if Cummins had given 5 pens instead of 20? Would a less fractured game with more PTBs have suited England?
|
|
|
|
|
|