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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "This could be the 2nd most competitive match of the Quarter Finals.

I would not count out England at this stage. The England team contains a lot of experienced internationals, several of whom have NRL experience. The England team stands a very good chance of winning this one.'"


You do make me chuckle at times! A few bites too!

Going the game myself and not sure what I want from it... a close game would be more entertaining but anything other than a good victory will be getting me more worried for next week

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Quote: Dally "Is the ref next week an Aussie? Could be our best hope - you can be sure the high and mighty of the NRL will want England rather than NZ to face their beloved "champs" in the final!'"


Southern Hemisphere teams aways seem to get the decisions

I can guarantee in the first 5 mins nz will get a penalty for a phantom technical offence giving them good early position. Watch out for it, guarantee it happens.

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Not just Aussies who have the rose tinted glasses on. We were at Limerick last week and Bentham CANED Ireland, making the game even more one-sided than it needed to be. I think Klein has been the same at least for the NZ v PNG and England v France matches.
On the other side of the coin I thought Ben Cummings did a fair job for Scotland v NZ.

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Quote: Sheldon "I should have been more clear.
He's worked damn hard at his game, particularly the face pulling, best in the world.

I was a bit disapointed with the atmosphere, it was fairly flat. Jamie Peacock spoke before the start of the tournament about how much of a boost a home crowd can give you (personally I don't think it should make a difference, but then I haven't played test rugby) maybe this transferred to some of the players. It was a bit of a non event.

We're going to need to be an awful lot more solid around the ruck or Luke will have us on toast, I'm guessing this is the idea behind McIlorum starting, I really watched him last night because of the criticism he's attracted. I'm pretty neutral and as an England fan want him to do well, I don't think he offered a whole lot and if anything was too agressive in the tackle at times which led to him bouncing off. Wigan fans who seem him week in week out seem to think he can do a whole lot better, I do think we need to do something to combat Luke, I've seen NZ live for the last two games and irrespective of the opposition we simply have to counter him.

When I got back from Wigan I had a little look at the game and I noticed Noble in commentary mentioning that perhaps the idea of playing S. Burgess out wide is to counter SBW, could be something in that.

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Anyone who thinks we should drop one of our halves now is crazy. You can't build a partnership for four weeks then just abandon it. If McNamara was serious about Widdop playing, he should have gave him some more game time during the group stage.

I would swap McIllorum for Burrow and maybe get rid of Farrell from the 17.

For me - our biggest problem is intensity. Against Italy, Fiji and France England have allowed themselves to be drawn back to the level of their opposition - their line speed in defence and pace in attack is shocking. Not to mention disrespect of possession.

Chase did play poorly against France but he was the man against Fiji.

My 17 v NZ:

Backs - the same (maybe Briscoe in for Charnley - not too fussed)
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Hill, Roby, Graham, S Burgess, Ferres, O'Loughlin
Bench
Burrow, G Burgess, Westwood, Mossop

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Quote: Dally "Yes but the ease with which they got into try scoring positions and then fluffed it was terrifying. They could easily have scored 4 tries. Now in all probability NZ or Australia would have more possession against us and not miss those sort of chances. So, you soon start to think 1 try and 4 chances could turn into 9 of 10 actual tries. That's the worry for me.'"


Scotland had as many good positions v NZ as France had v England, you could make exactly the same arguement about NZ.

I saw NZ live on Friday night and I am certain that England can beat them. Of course if either side doesn't perform they will lose, but if they both turn up I see it as a 50/50 call. The match is unlikely to be decided by the forwards (unless Roby or Luke produce some individuasl brilliance). I think NZ have a pace advantage in the backs but the England outside backs are physically much bigger, if England can exploit that advantage that is how they will win.

England's left edge has been very good this toutnament, I thought that was stifled last night by playing Surgess there, Chase, Cudjoe and Hall need good ball not Sam taking the ball up. Ferres should be at Left Second Row, Farrell and Ablett are options that would compliment that edge, Sam Burgess is a great player, but the wrong player on that edge. I think Farrell yed his way past Ablett in the last two games, not that Ablett has done anything wrong.

On the other side I think Westwood needs to be told not to come inside too much on defence, the problems around Sinfield and Watkins are coming from Westwood not drifting leaving too much space for the others to fill, that is a minor adjustment.

England must also resist overplaying James Graham, with a prop rotation of Surgess, Gurgess, Hill and Graham, there is no need for anyone to play 60+ minutes, I am sure they will all want to, but they should not.

Burrow changed the Fiji game, can't believe he was left out v France.

So for me England's 17 should be:

Tomkins
Charnley
Watkins
Cudjoe
Hall
Chase
Sinfield
Hill
Roby
S Burgess
Westwood
Ferres
O'Loughlin

Graham
G Burgess
Farrell
Burrow

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