I think it it worth acknowledging that at fev as many other clubs like batley/fax/leigh/dewsbury to name a few, there are an army of volunteers, selling match programs, promoting the club, working on the pitch and at fev, actually building the new stands for free. Are we saying that what they are doing is pointless as we cant keep up with the 'big boys'? Shall we just all pack up and not bother then? How long can we count on the generous support of such people if the door closes on 'unfashionable' clubs?

Look at Zac Hardaker, Richard whiting, Rooney who was at Wakey and to some extent Rob Burrow...All from the Fev set up or amateur. This is what the championship brings, fresh new players to the Superleague dot forget that.

Some people here sound like they have had it too good for too long and forget what it is like to have to work their way up. I think Chris Taylor has been incredibly patient with his debate on here but it sounds to me that some people are so far removed from the leagues below they dont know how frustrating and frankly unfair it feels to have a club that you love and support told 'no' to playing with the big clubs because we are in the wrong area, or the grounds not quite big enough! Look at Blackpool in football, it did them no harm going up to the premiership, controlling their spending then coming back down. They are now more secure financially because they have been well managed. This has not been the case at Celtic (dont get me started on them) Bradford, wakey and now london. Franchising has failed and done nothing but put people off. has anyone tried explaining franchising to a non-rugby league fan? They think it is insane and it is.

If the fans of the big clubs had to swap places with Championship clubs I bet there would be a swift turnaround to their priorities are what is good for rugby league.

Fev is a well run club. We have won the league shield 3 years on the bounce and might make it 4. We beat Cas with a part time team, and Gave Wigan a run for their money. We own our own ground. We are improving our facilities and our fan base. We have some full time players already. What else can we do?! It is absolute madness! Maybe we need to speak french or welsh, but frankly I think if your well run, it does not matter if your team yo-yo's, they will survive and the hope stays alive.

Unless you know of another Crystal Palace dick-head?

So we are talking about crystal palace who prove time and time again that they arent big enough to compete with the likes of man Utd it's why they keep getting relegated and going bust.

I just wanted to check because it sounded as if this was something you thought we should emulate but that would obviously be moronic

Yawn. Go to bed you prick.

As cogent as ever!

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