Oh how we laughed!!!

They had/have better players and they had got complacent about league fixtures after winning a few grand finals.

Saints are down in that 5th spot because your pack is weak, your halfbacks are ordinary and your backline is heavily reliant on Lomax at fullback (as is ours on Tomkins). Leeds was all down to attitude not a lack of quality in personnel.

Yeah, as a saints fan I can say our attitude has been top notch this year, injury free too.

But I didn't say that was your issue, that was Leeds!

You've been effected by injuries (who hasn't) and for a while it meant your league position was lower then it should have been, I just don't think it is anymore. Yes you have Roby and Soliola to come back and they'll take you up a level but not enough to win the Grand Final. Unless the vast majority of your fans have changed their minds I doubt you believe you can with the pack you have and the halfbacks available to you? I don't see a Peacock or Sinfield in that Saints side.

I may be wrong but I doubt it.

When Saints's pack turns up, there's no problems. They're also 100 times better when Roby's there to marshall them.

Its the halfbacks. There starting to get themselves together, but its been in games where our pack has been on top. Its unlikely that, in a final, we'll manage to outstrip the opposition's pack so comprehensively that our lacking in the halves wont be a deciding factor. Epsecially if we're playing Wire or Leeds.

Plus, everyone knows now that all it takes to disrupt our game plan is to hit GOB late in the tackle and take him out.