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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "That is a very harsh judgment.

Which of my revised first team choices are very poor, especially for New Zealand?

Possible England teamSam Tomkins

Ryan Hall, Kallum Watkins, Jack Reed, Josh Charnley

Kevin Sinfield
Danny McGuire/Gareth Widdop

Sean O'Loughlin
Gareth Ellis, Gareth Hock
Sam Burgess, James Roby, James Graham [/i

InterchangeRob Burrow, Ben Westwood, George Burgess, Eorl Crabtree.[/i


Possible New Zealand teamKevin Locke

Jason Nightingale, Konrad Hurrell, Shaun Kenny-Dowell, Sam Perrett,

Benji Marshall
Kieron Foran

Greg Eastwood
Simon Mannering, Sonny Bill Williams
Jared Wharea-Hargreaves, Isaac Luke, Sam Kasiano[/i

InterchangeSam Rapira, Jesse Bromwich, Frank Pritchard/Tohu Harris, Aaron Heremaia[/i'"



Possible England team:

Sam Tomkins

Ryan Hall, Kallum Watkins, Jack Reed, Josh Charnley

Kevin Sinfield
Danny McGuire/Gareth Widdop

Sean O'Loughlin
Gareth Ellis, Gareth Hock
Sam Burgess, James Roby, Eorl Crabtree

Interchange: Rob Burrow, Ben Westwood, George Burgess, Chris Hill/Adrian Morley


Possible New Zealand team:

Kevin Locke

Jason Nightingale, Steve Matai, Shaun Kenny-Dowell/Junior Sa'u, Sam Perrett/Manu Vatuvei/Josh Hoffman/Matt Duffie

Benji Marshall
Kieron Foran

Greg Eastwood
Simon Mannering, Sonny Bill Williams
Jared Wharea-Hargreaves, Isaac Luke, Sam Kasiano

Interchange: Frank Pritchard/Ben Te'o/Tohu Harris, Roy Asotasi, Jesse Bromwich, Aaron Heremaia


The New Zealand pack is equal to if not stronger than England's, its halves and three quarters are superior.

If SBW continues his incremental improvements each week, by the time of the World Cup, should he choose to play he may well be a game changer on his own.

this was your original team and the one i was referring to as poor.

junior sau would have to have a fantastic season (no real signs of that yet) he has been bad for at least 2 seasons.
steve matai isn't up for new zealand
Aaron heremaia infront of Thomas luelai.
roy asotasi infront of jeff lima?
ben te'o is an aussie
against my opinion adam blair will be in the squad as crap as he maybe at the moment.
tohu harris infront of kevin procter?
and no ben matulino?

and this i would say is the biggest one, you haven't included krisinan inu.

as for the England team its open to debate as well personally i would have hock on the bench and Westwood would be in front of ellis to start as he hasn't played much rugby in the last 2 seasons and the last stint he had he was very average.

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[url:15kig0eg]http://www.traditionalteacompany.co.uk/[/url:15kig0eg] [quote="Saddened":15kig0eg]Pat Richards is poop. A typical, average, run of the mill NRL outside back. Nothing special at all. Like Barrett he is a myth. He is solid enough, he can catch, he can kick goals.[/quote:15kig0eg]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7958.jpg



Quote: giddyupoldfella "What a load of Sh*t, the English fans say Burgess is the best forward in the World because he is the best forward in the world, and i'd guess most English fans say Cameron Smith is the best hooker in the World (he's not English), Billy Slater is the best fullback in the World (he's not English), Jonathan Thurston is the best Half back in the World ( he's not English), so your theory is nonsense.

I think your just jealous as a roosters fan that Burgess is far superior than Sonny Bill, stop being so biased and stop lying to yourself.

And how do you know who watches or doesn't watch the NRL games Mr know all?'"


Plenty of experience with no it all fans, who not surprisingly don't even subscribe to the only channel that shows NRL in the UK. And the fact there are some top players that many on here wouldn't have even heard off. I did say Im not getting into this Burgess so get over it, and like the other guy stop taking it so personally. Clearly a nerve was touched. How is my theory nonsense, the UK fans might recognise those others as being the best in the position but none seem to get obsessed over like Burgess is doing at the moment.

How am I jealous??? SBW is alot better then Super League experts think he is, and that's the funny thing. Those who have actually seen all 4 Roosters games this season would have seen the massive improvement he has made in such a short space of time. How am I lying to myslef, I didn't say SBW was the best in the world, its just with people like you if you dont say that Burgess is the best by far, no one else comes anywhere near him, and you dare to have your own opinion your talking nonsense.

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Quote: Bondi_Warrior "Plenty of experience with no it all fans, who not surprisingly don't even subscribe to the only channel that shows NRL in the UK. And the fact there are some top players that many on here wouldn't have even heard off. I did say Im not getting into this Burgess so get over it, and like the other guy stop taking it so personally. Clearly a nerve was touched. How is my theory nonsense, the UK fans might recognise those others as being the best in the position but none seem to get obsessed over like Burgess is doing at the moment.

How am I jealous??? SBW is alot better then Super League experts think he is, and that's the funny thing. Those who have actually seen all 4 Roosters games this season would have seen the massive improvement he has made in such a short space of time. How am I lying to myslef, I didn't say SBW was the best in the world, its just with people like you if you dont say that Burgess is the best by far, no one else comes anywhere near him, and you dare to have your own opinion your talking nonsense.'"

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SBW was outstanding in the Roosters 38-0 win against the Dogs.

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SBW ran riot against the Bulldogs last night. Returning to hes best.

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[url:15kig0eg]http://www.traditionalteacompany.co.uk/[/url:15kig0eg] [quote="Saddened":15kig0eg]Pat Richards is poop. A typical, average, run of the mill NRL outside back. Nothing special at all. Like Barrett he is a myth. He is solid enough, he can catch, he can kick goals.[/quote:15kig0eg]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_7958.jpg



Its a shame he isn't playing in the ANZAC test tonight.

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