At no point you talked about quality on the pitch, which should be the most important factor. The more competitive the game, the more marketable the game equalling the increase in crowds. Do you think in the next three years, any of the sides stated, will be in the top 6? London - No, Wakey - Potential but No, Castleford - No, Salford - Potential with new investment.

I don't know which Salford fans you were talking to, then, as most of us knew it was more than just the Willows holding us back. Indeed, most of us had a good idea that moving from the Willows was a bad idea. But hey, apparently we'd been given an ultimatum to improve the ground or move and the previous regime were adamant that nothing could be done at the Willows. Which was b*llocks, but never mind.

And finally, wire-quin: you're either a WUM or a c**t. Or both, as the case may well be.

Thats an awful lot of vitriol , but still awfully amusing , keep up the the good work I think you could do better

What the hell are you talking about?? What does "potential but no" mean?
Unlike you I don't possess crystal balls but what are you basing this in depth analysis on exactly? Do you think HKR and Widnes will be in the top 6 (or do they have "potential")? Why don't we just get rid of Wakefield, Cas, Salford, London and Widnes and HKR and let the rest have a great time playing each other ad nauseam?
Salford are in a tough place at the moment but good luck to them. We should be looking to support and strengthen the heartlands clubs not be talking about kicking them out.

Obvious Troll thread.

Ironically, most have not bitten.

I agree with you TBH. I don't think London can realistically go on like this for much longer, but given the strategic importance ( not everyone agrees I know ) its the one club I'd would like to see 'central' help for...but only with a better team at the RFL in the first place, which isn't going to happen any time soon, so in other words, I have no idea what to do about it. As they [icurrently[/i stand, I think it's just about over the line where we'd be better without London...BUT that assumes nothing is done to sort their problems out...I'd still rather see something done to help them. Maybe a final ultimatum will sharpen minds. I don't know.

As this is a forum, I am entitled to an opinion. My depth analysis is the last 3-5 years where these clubs have not made much progress on the playing side. The idea is not to get rid of teams, but to make the competition more competitive of which 14 teams is not clearly working. Would you put a large wager on one of these four teams getting in the top 6 in the next 3 years? (Feel free to use my crystal ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Never fail to get a dig in do you, Wakefields travelling support is as as good as most, especially this side of the hill.

True Wigan probably wouldn't miss it but you would as we take 2-3000 to Leeds every time and that is roughly 40-60k and even Leeds can't afford to lose that. I don't think there is another poster on here who knows so little but thinks he knows so much about how the game works. Stop being such a ar*e.

so, maximum 60k......reality is about 30k a year.....from a minimum 4 million turn over.


....I repeat about 1% of a clubs turn over.........hardly a game changer and a smoke screen laid by COE'sand Chairmen who failed to deliver on promises they made

Maths notyour strong point then?

2nd,and 2 Play offs and a challenge cup final stands upas a better return than some current SL clubs.....


soikeother RL fans, you've found another excuse not to go to games....good for you.



how about 1.3 million a year from SKY in return for say 40k in revenue...not profit mind you,but revenue?

Which team is "full of second-rate journeymen Aussies?" Catalans? Are you refering to Scott Dureau, the Dream Team scrum half? Damien Blanch? Darryl Millard? Lopini Paea? Steve Menzies? Ian Henderson? Any club would love to have such "journeymen" in their squad.




London is full of Aussie journeymen, is it? Do you mean Craig Gower, the former Australian Test scrum half? Michael Robertson, the 2011 Manly Grand Final winning winger? Shane Rodney, the 2011 Manly Grand Final winning second rower? Chris Bailey?




How many fans do you think North Queensland brings to games in Sydney and Melbourne? have you heard anyone in Australia complain about that? No, it is only the parochial Little Northern Englanders who raise the issue of lack of away support against the expansion clubs. The NRL clubs do just fine without the travelling fans from Townsville.

Why do you think that Toulouse will be a weak expansion club? Because of the record of Catalans Dragons? Haven't you noticed that this is the third year in which Catalans are well into the top six performing clubs? Why should Toulouse be any different after 6 years? In fact Toulouse will have a much stronger financial base than Catalans, and a much bigger population base than Catalans, from which to recruit supporters and juniors.

There is no reason to doubt that Toulouse can become, like Catalans, a massive success story. I anticipate that Toulouse will be pulling in more home fans than Salford in its first year.