Rattled Much? There are extenuating circumstances as to why the crowd was low. Yes it was disappointingly low but given the (lack of) pre-season, three defeats in a row of 40+ scores amongst other things. It's disappointing but not surprising.

The club is going through a massive upheaval at the moment, good things are happening.

So enjoy your little troll moment we are a team where the only direction is up.

If you think £30k every fortnight is a sum SL clubs can afford to sniff at, you're in cloud cuckoo land. Especially when you think that adds up to almost £400k a season. That's a couple of players' wages. Yes, clubs have a responsibility to fill their own stadiums. I don't believe I said otherwise. But that's a little difficult when you're asking fans to travel from France (or London) every other week.

London is the club I feel the least for. It's a forced entity with no tradition or history to speak of, no foundations in any community, a relatively non-existent fan base and a squad of journeymen. When most other teams play one another, you have two communities and generations of fans with vested interests and a rivalry built on decades of past games and memories. Yes, London has had a few rare moments in the limelight, but nothing to really shout about.

And what about the fans? I go to a game primarily for the game itself, the event and the social element - but I also go to get a buzz off the atmosphere, enjoy the rivalry, the noise, the songs, etc. When London and Catalans come to town there's none of that. The atmosphere is flat - in fact Wigan even close the North Stand. The more I attend these flat games the more I question whether I want to pay for petrol, a couple of tickets and refreshments for such a non-event and increasingly I don't.

I've always been pro-London whilst being fervently against shoving more forced and groundless teams into SL in the name of expansion. Unfortunately year on year I'm increasingly looking at London and wondering, "what's the point?" - and I can't find an answer.

Why are fans travelling from London or France to fill thier home grounds?

Don't be deliberately obtuse, you understand the point. Gutterfax is correct when he says clubs have a responsibility to fill their stadiums, but filling stadiums is made more difficult with no visiting fans. In addition, these flat games can also turn home fans off.

No, clubs shouldn't rely on away support and no, it's not the entire argument, but it's part of it.

Im not being obtuse your argument isnt making sense. Even if a club doesnt bring away fans. That club only plays one home game against every other club. So each club would only be effected once a year. So that £400k number isnt relevant to anything.

Thats one of the reasons clubs shouldnt rely on away fans, they are unpredictable and out of their control and each one only visits once a year.

Simply making the point that away fans provide valuable income. Or will you find something about that to argue about?

And it's 2 clubs, so twice a year.

No wonder you've had 3 broken jaws.

All income is valuable, there just isn’t a whole lot of it from away fans going to clubs. An ambitious estimate of £60k over the season (for clubs who aren’t smart enough to market these games better) per club isn’t something we really need as a deciding factor in the structure of our game.

How is our game supposed to progress when 'fans' at base level say things like get teams out of Super League?

I think Salford have the potential to be a Man City of rugby league. Is that good or bad news for the game? Will there be anymore foriegn investors or benefactors? Is there a potential for a smaller version Premier League? If Salford did improve the attendances would improve, cant say the same thing about London.

A good Finance Manager projecting turnover and allocating budgets for the year would beg to differ.

And £60k is a player's wage. Hardly insignificant.

As I said, it's not the whole argument, but it's a factor.

£60k out of £4m isnt a big enough number for it to be a realistic factor in our decision making, it is a relatively insignificant number.

Also that 60k is likely to be 2 missed games at the higher end of the scale. I would be surprised if Wigan would even notice the difference between the away fan income of Les Catalans or London compared to a visit from Wakefield, Hudds et al.