not sure about urine, but there was a stack of s**t in wakeys dressing room last weekend

on a serious note, i'm sure that the investigation will have some hard facts that we will get to know about in time. one thing worries me though that is, is this the tip of a worldwide iceberg? are we about to find out that a lot of the sports we love and have grown up with as kids are bent as a nine bob note? or is it on a much smaller scale?

Two articles that I think are worth reading. www.theaustralian.com.au/news/be ... 6573915069 www.bordermail.com.au/story/1289 ... nds/?cs=12

Two articles that I think are worth reading. www.theaustralian.com.au/news/be ... 6573915069 www.bordermail.com.au/story/1289 ... nds/?cs=12

"That's my beef with this - if we've got the drug problems we've had, well, what's the drug agency been doing? We pay them a lot of money to come into our sport. We made a lot of compromises for them to come into our sport. And now they're telling us we've got a problem. I can't detect it, I've got no means to do that. We employ them to do that." - Wayne Bennett

Being a personal trainer with a particular passion for sports conditioning and knowing several pro strength & conditioning coaches and rugby league players - they have all told me they know first hand that growth hormone use is widespread. Without them telling me its still obvious, look at the huge amounts of muscle mass some players over here have gained in pre season, its just not possible to maintain that throughout the season and have the time and energy to play in and recover from games, but many do maintain it. That's not protein shakes and maintenance strength training, its steroid and growth hormone use. There is no other explanation.

Quote: Buggo "You used to be innocent until proven guilty, not seeing much of that so far in this story.'" Absolutely right. But... ASADA over here regularly test players in and out of game time, including visits to training, games, etc. They can come anytime, anywhere. If you refuse to give a sample, you are "presumed" to be hiding something. Here's the current anti-doping policy. www.rlpa.com.au/content/nrl-anti ... olicy-2013 If you're an athlete and want to know what is currently banned, so you genuinely don't take the wrong headache tablet etc. download WADAs app which gives you the full list of substances.

Quote: Buggo "You used to be innocent until proven guilty, not seeing much of that so far in this story.'" Absolutely right. But... ASADA over here regularly test players in and out of game time, including visits to training, games, etc. They can come anytime, anywhere. If you refuse to give a sample, you are "presumed" to be hiding something. Here's the current anti-doping policy. www.rlpa.com.au/content/nrl-anti ... olicy-2013 If you're an athlete and want to know what is currently banned, so you genuinely don't take the wrong headache tablet etc. download WADAs app which gives you the full list of substances.

I was relating to the blanket coverage that all sports are drug using cheats that has been in the Australian media, if they are not. they are match fixing, if not that they are connected to organized crime.
How much Mud can they throw without showing some facts and evidence.