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| If the RFL had run the game properly from the start then this would not be an issue. The reason the teams below super league are part time and have small crowds is because of the fact there is no dream, nothing to aspire to, yes you can win the respective league that you are in but what happens then? The reward for the clubs below Super league is little; the reward for the fans is far smaller. The fans want bragging rights. How do you attract new support for your club when
A) It gets limited publicity from the governing body,
B) You have your games shown on a channel that less than half the population of the country get (this is yet another great deal done by the people in charge) the clubs get nothing from the deal and actually harms the top clubs bid for a licence. The top games that would pull the interest of the neutral can be seen on the TV they can sit in a sports club/ bar and watch for free have a few beers. The games are switched to a Thursday night and many of the diehard fans cannot go.
If they are going to give it away give it away to a terrestrial TV channel that gets into every home then you have a chance of better sponsorship.
c) Super league clubs sell season tickets at a stupidly low price that they cannot afford causing the floating supporter to buy their season ticket because it has paid for itself even if they only go to two games. Then money that could have been used to promote the lower division clubs is spent buying a hole in the ground (iconic ground MY A (Jim Royal moment) ) and keeping a team that has bought its iconic status with money it did not have, running.
d) No promotion or relegation. Nothing to get excited about or biting nails time, talking about the connotations that may get you promoted or relegated, the excitement the disappointment until you reach the semifinals or the final of the playoffs there is none of that so people do not get attached to the club like the supporters that have been around for years and their family’s
it is because of a lack of promotion and relegation that the gap is as big as you say, although I think the top 5 championship clubs could compete with the bottom 5 Super League clubs with only a few adjustments needed.
Rugby league is top heavy too much money, time and promotion is put into super league and will fall over if something is not done about it. Without the lower leagues Super league will struggle.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"' talk up and promote the game ' ? , thats your solution?
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Solution? No, hence the 
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| Always travelling i think you've hit the nail on the head.
Unfortunately you've posted this on the VT, so stand back and be prepared for a tsunami of abuse from the pro licencing brigage who don't give a stuff about anything below super dooper league.
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| Quote TheBoyFromBargainBooze="TheBoyFromBargainBooze"Always travelling i think you've hit the nail on the head.
Unfortunately you've posted this on the VT, so stand back and be prepared for a tsunami of abuse from the pro licencing brigage who don't give a stuff about anything below super dooper league.'"
Am I included in that?
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| "The reason the teams below super league are part time and have small crowds is because of the fact there is no dream, nothing to aspire to, yes you can win the respective league that you are in but what happens then?"
Is the lack of aspiration the reason in cloud cucko land that Championship sides aren't full time and play in front of a few hundred spectators? It certainly isn't the reason in the real world. Find me a year when the equivalent of the Championship (e.g. the old Second Division) under P&R ever had 'big' crowds apart from the odd team. That is another myth, albeit a new one to me. I'm sure I used to watch Bramley play local derbies in front of 500 people and some games with less than that. Maybe the other 9,000 were in the bar?
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| Arguing with anti-liscening types is like arguing with creationists.
Evidence and logic isn't their strong point.
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| Quote Horatio Yed="Horatio Yed"20 years of Premier league
Winners
Man Utd
Blackburn
Arsenal
Chelsea
Man City
5 teams in 20 years
Rugby League
16 years of Super (dooper*) league.
Saints
Bradford
Wigan
Leeds
4 teams in 16
I'm seeing the massive difference
*must add this when talking with fans of lower league teams who don't have an ounce of jealousy in them.'"
* Correction - for "lower league" substitute "totally seperate league".
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"' talk up and promote the game ' ? , thats your solution?
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What he means is stick your fingers in your ears, go "lalala" and lie a lot.
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| Quote Always Travelling="Always Travelling"If the RFL had run the game properly from the start then this would not be an issue. The reason the teams below super league are part time and have small crowds is because of the fact there is no dream, nothing to aspire to, yes you can win the respective league that you are in but what happens then? The reward for the clubs below Super league is little; the reward for the fans is far smaller. The fans want bragging rights. How do you attract new support for your club when
A) It gets limited publicity from the governing body,
B) You have your games shown on a channel that less than half the population of the country get (this is yet another great deal done by the people in charge) the clubs get nothing from the deal and actually harms the top clubs bid for a licence. The top games that would pull the interest of the neutral can be seen on the TV they can sit in a sports club/ bar and watch for free have a few beers. The games are switched to a Thursday night and many of the diehard fans cannot go.
If they are going to give it away give it away to a terrestrial TV channel that gets into every home then you have a chance of better sponsorship.
c) Super league clubs sell season tickets at a stupidly low price that they cannot afford causing the floating supporter to buy their season ticket because it has paid for itself even if they only go to two games. Then money that could have been used to promote the lower division clubs is spent buying a hole in the ground (iconic ground MY A (Jim Royal moment) ) and keeping a team that has bought its iconic status with money it did not have, running.
d) No promotion or relegation. Nothing to get excited about or biting nails time, talking about the connotations that may get you promoted or relegated, the excitement the disappointment until you reach the semifinals or the final of the playoffs there is none of that so people do not get attached to the club like the supporters that have been around for years and their family’s
it is because of a lack of promotion and relegation that the gap is as big as you say, although I think the top 5 championship clubs could compete with the bottom 5 Super League clubs with only a few adjustments needed.
Rugby league is top heavy too much money, time and promotion is put into super league and will fall over if something is not done about it. Without the lower leagues Super league will struggle.'"
So why weren't the crowds huge in the P&R days? The crowds aren't that much different. You need to find some other excuses...
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino":1furx753"The reason the teams below super league are part time and have small crowds is because of the fact there is no dream, nothing to aspire to, yes you can win the respective league that you are in but what happens then?"
Is the lack of aspiration the reason in cloud cucko land that Championship sides aren't full time and play in front of a few hundred spectators? It certainly isn't the reason in the real world. Find me a year when the equivalent of the Championship (e.g. the old Second Division) under P&R ever had 'big' crowds apart from the odd team. That is another myth, albeit a new one to me. I'm sure I used to watch Bramley play local derbies in front of 500 people and some games with less than that. Maybe the other 9,000 were in the bar?'" or support the current lower tiers properly and all the clubs in them
Or we end up with a shrinking sport
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"So why weren't the crowds huge in the P&R days? The crowds aren't that much different. You need to find some other excuses...'"
No ' excuses ' , just reasons , lots of them , not just no P and R
Then once you identify the reasons , find a solution , that will only happen if you admit there is a problem in the 1 st place , if you keep saying everything is ' rosy ' enough you start to believe it , and then it is too late to stop the decline
Poor club management at all levels , even poorer management at the top level
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