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| Quote Duckman="Duckman"I think that could be correct. Which is only one of many reasons I'm p!ssed off with the whole affair. The rfl might still have a problem though, the coaching staff have said the volunatary working won't last until the end of the season, and unless I'm mistaken the forwarded funds are/might be just for the playing staff. So the last games might not happen anyway without a deal either way.'"
You have every right to be p*ssed off, i would be in your shoes. It's just a bad situation for all involved but the rfl are simply doing (imo) what they see as best for the wider game.
I'm sure something will be sorted regarding coaching staff which will get your through the final games.
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| Whilst it’s been quoted that the consortium has offered £1.5m for the lease, does it say anywhere what the timescale is for the payment?
If they’re prepared to pay the full amount right now I can’t see a problem, however, if it’s a case of ‘’give us the lease back & we’ll pay on the never-never’’, well they’ve already been down that road.
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| Quote Wilbred T Pricklepop="Wilbred T Pricklepop"The problem is this is something the RFL want to be sorted out once the seasons ended, they don't want to put bradfords final game sin jeapordy, and it's not something they alone decide the clubs vote on it and as i stated before IMO the RFL will back what the majority of clubs decide.
It's very trikcy situation but i believe the RFL are acting in the best interests of the game (even if that isn't bradfords best interests)'"
So they are stringing them along and they don’t believe there is any chance they will survive? Those at the top of the RFL simply cannot sustain their position if they are lying to fans, players, suppliers, sponsors throughout the game to delay Bradfords liquidation until it is convenient. Pretending there is a chance a company could buy Bradford and keep them in SL so the administrator keeps them as a going concern would be a disgusting way to run a league.
There is nothing tricky about that, it is just wrong.
The RFL can pay the players wages until the end of the season, they own the lease to the home stadium.
There is nothing to say the RFL cannot have the club continue to run until the end if the year, paying the players themselves, playing out of a stadium they own, when we and potential investors know, that at best, next year Bradford will be a championship club
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"You're missing the entire point by about half a universe, the consortium have definitively stated that they aren't interested in owning a Championship club, so no SL, no bid. All they want is the existing licence to continue, on its current terms (which btw include revocation clauses etc) until it runs out.
If you wanted to buy a SL club, what would you do?
Would you pay for a car first, and only later get to know whether it was the BMW or a Fiesta? well, the RFL's seeming position is about as nutty as that, given we can assume that only sane bidders exist.'"
This is EXACTLY what Andrew Glover had to do at Wakefield.
The main difference being that his driving motive was to keep a rugby league club in the city and at the time stated, that if the club had to play CC rugby and fight its way back to the top flight, then he was prepared for that.
So at least the RFL are trying to be consistant.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"This is EXACTLY what Andrew Glover had to do at Wakefield.
The main difference being that his driving motive was to keep a rugby league club in the city and at the time stated, that if the club had to play CC rugby and fight its way back to the top flight, then he was prepared for that.
So at least the RFL are trying to be consistant.'"
Yes but, Glovers proposals were for the start of a new licensing period, Bradford are a third of the way into an existing one.
There are similarities, but not carbon copies.
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| If they'd come out and tell us who they are and what their plans for the club are I'd have less reason to be suspicious - but I think this mystery consortium are more interested in getting their hands on Super League money, as opposed to a Super League club. Possibly to enable them to pay for the lease of Odsal, which is what they really want to get out of this "takeover".
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Yes but, Glovers proposals were for the start of a new licensing period, Bradford are a third of the way into an existing one.
There are similarities, but not carbon copies.'"
Nevertheless, Glover was driven by saving the club and not demanding SL status.
Now, this doesn't mean that IF the ABC consortium removed their "demand" for SL status, that they would be demoted, it just that the RFL could decide their fate later on.
Of course, any bidder should seek the best deal possible both in terms of the ground, the players and SL status but, from the rhetoric coming from both sides, there is going to have to be some compromise.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Nevertheless, Glover was driven by saving the club and not demanding SL status.
Now, this doesn't mean that IF the ABC consortium removed their "demand" for SL status, that they would be demoted, it just that the RFL could decide their fate later on.
Of course, any bidder should seek the best deal possible both in terms of the ground, the players and SL status but, from the rhetoric coming from both sides, there is going to have to be some compromise.'"
But whilst Glover was happy to play white-knight (in theory, its impossible to know how long he would have stuck around/wakefield had lasted in the championship) ABC aren’t. ABC don’t see the Bulls as a viable entity in the championship, they don’t want a championship club. Im not sure we should demand that it is a prerequisite for running a pro club that you also want to run a semi-pro club.
What you seem to be suggesting ABC do is buy Bradford now on the basis that the RFL may or may not decide to demote Bradford, which is nonsense when one of the options (demoting Bradford) results in them owning a business they don’t want, which is only likely to leave us in this position again once the decision is made with ABC paying a lot of money to people outside the game.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"But whilst Glover was happy to play white-knight (in theory, its impossible to know how long he would have stuck around/wakefield had lasted in the championship) ABC aren’t. ABC don’t see the Bulls as a viable entity in the championship, they don’t want a championship club. Im not sure we should demand that it is a prerequisite for running a pro club that you also want to run a semi-pro club.
What you seem to be suggesting ABC do is buy Bradford now on the basis that the RFL may or may not decide to demote Bradford, which is nonsense when one of the options (demoting Bradford) results in them owning a business they don’t want, which is only likely to leave us in this position again once the decision is made with ABC paying a lot of money to people outside the game.'"
So, we have a catch22, where the RFL dont want to confirm SL status and the consortium dont want a CC club.
Should we expect the RFL to state whether they can indeed retain SL status, or do we continue with the Russian Roulette and see who wins ?
Just a another scenario, if the RFL does allow them to continue in this franchise period, but then drops them at the next round of franchises, then we are back to square one, therefore the consortium would need a plan B
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| I don't think its a case of the consortium wanting to carry on with the Bulls current license with all T&Cs as they are now. If that was the case then the RFL could say yes you can have the license then at the end of the season, kick them out of SL. The consortium are asking for the RFL to guarantee them SL status until the next round of bids. This is where it becomes tricky because if the RFL accept the consortium's conditional offer then they would also have to guarantee every other clubs license until the end of the current license period. This would mean any of the other clubs could just go into admin, do whatever they want and not have to bother about being kicked out of SL.
The RFL have to keep their integrity and just tell the consortium that they won't guarantee them safety from SL expulsion. They need to tell them that they can carry on with the current license until there comes a time when a decision is made by the RFL Board and the other member clubs about Bradford's SL status.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"So, we have a catch22, where the RFL dont want to confirm SL status and the consortium dont want a CC club.
Should we expect the RFL to state whether they can indeed retain SL status, or do we continue with the Russian Roulette and see who wins ?
Just a another scenario, if the RFL does allow them to continue in this franchise period, but then drops them at the next round of franchises, then we are back to square one, therefore the consortium would need a plan B'"
Its not a catch 22, it’s a simply question that goes like this,
If we buy the club then it must be an SL club at least for the next two years barring another financial meltdown, here are our plans for the next two years to put us in a position to keep our licence, here are our plans after that. Can we buy the club and keep it in SL for at least the next two years barring another financial meltdown?
The RFL’s answer of not yes, not no, but ‘buy it and then we will tell you’ is as pointless as it is moronic.
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