So, you just saying it's rubbish is enough then is it? No counter point?

Are you saying that there is not a very high percentage of the toyota cup players who aren't maori/pacific in heritage? 22,000,000 aussies, 4,000,000 Kiwis......16 squads of 25 players say a player pool of 400.

60 should be Maori Pacific...........85% Australian......Let me know if you can find 200 non Maori Pacific players.....good luck with that BTW.

Are you saying that 2 more NRL teams won't further weaken the player pool and as a result, you'll see more UK players recruited? 50 more top flight players needed.....that doesn't sound a lot, but systematically, the teams currently in the NRL who are missing one or 2 players due to injury/Origin/suspension lose their games.........the strength is not there in depth.

Are you saying the NRL/ARL do give a toss about the game outside their immediate area? Good for you.......I am looking forward to reading about all the NRL/ARL financed development work down here in Wellington....I mean to say, give there were 5 NRL Club scouts down here over the last 4 weeks checking out players that they could pick up for their Toyota/2nd grade teams, surely they are chipping in to help us build the game from scratch?

My opinion may differ from yours, but I don't call yours rubbish.....well, I wouldn't have if you'd actually posted anything.

There was a letter in LE this week remarking on the lack of neutral supporters at the cup semis and at recent CC finals. I think this also applies to internationals. The last international I attended was the 4 nations final at Elland Road in 2009. I personally feel alienated from RFL sponsored games because of the lack of P&R. I believe a lot of fans of non SL clubs feel the same - that the big games have nothing to do with them. Neither their clubs or players are involved so why should they be? This didn't used to be the case, you would see fans from all over the heartlands at Wembley, the GF and internationals. The RFL have annoyed a lot of fans with the licensing rules.

Isn't development of the game in Wellington the responsibility of the NZRL? You are confusing PI eligible Australians with players actually born in NZ. Majority of the NZ/PI eligible players in Toyota cup hold an Australian passport.

My mate lives in Brisbane and his 13 kid can't get a game for his local amateur RL club because its full of Islanders who are already built like men. Just because they are of Maori/Islander descent doesn't mean thats where they are from because they are all born over there. The East Coast of Australia is awash with Islander's because it s better life for them than living Fiji/Samoa/Tonga. Yes Fiji is luxiourious with beautiful beaches but the majority of locals will be poor.

Not sure I agree re the total domination Dougy. I've been watching SG ball for last three years and I'd say less than 50% of players at that U18 age group are of PI background.