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| Quote mikej="mikej"The salary cap in itself was never designed to protect clubs from overspending,
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It was brought in for exactly that reason.
Quote mikej it was designed to stop wealthy clubs employing all the best players.
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No it was not.
Quote mikej Clubs dont get into trouble for spending "up to the cap", they get into trouble for "spending more than they can afford".'"
Player salaries is the biggest expense. Putting a limit on that is the most effective way of stopping clubs going bust.
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| Quote Ovavoo="Ovavoo"What are you struggling with??'"
All of it. In what way does a salary cap stifle innovation? What is the link between innovation and "cheating"?
As I said, if anything a salary cap encourages innovation because the money that would have been spent on player wages with no cap in place can be spent elsewhere.
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| The SC is a waste of space as the RFL don't monitor it.
The clubs have to declare to the RFL salaries of their top 25 highest players. The RFL don't then monitor or check this.
They don't check players tax returns or bank accounts. The whole exercise therefore is utterly worthless.
How can you know what each player is receiving in remuneration if you don't check his personal financial details?
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| Quote Thoth="Thoth"It was brought in for exactly that reason.
No it was not. '"
It was brought in for both reasons, but the 50% of income rule that was part of the cap was done away with a few years ago (not that that rule would have helped Bradford anyway). It's undeniable that the cap has helped restrict spending and that it has stopped the big clubs from signing all the best players. The extent to which it has done that and the extent to which it should in the future is debatable.
Quote Thoth="Thoth"Player salaries is the biggest expense. Putting a limit on that is the most effective way of stopping clubs going bust.'"
Not at Leeds it's not.
Whilst I'd agree player salaries are a large expense for clubs, they're also the most predictable expense, yet clubs seem to struggle hugely to control that expense for some reason.
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| How many outstanding or even very good players are there at the bottom 4 clubs? Chase - who's is off to Hull seemingly and...?
Or make a rep team from the squads of that bottom 4 and another from players at the top 4 with squad numbers >17.
It is in its way admirable that Leeds players have put success before money, but credit too to somebody like Kevin Brown for taking on a different challenge. It's tough at the top, but a damn sight tougher at the bottom.
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| Of course the "top" players are going to go to the "top" clubs, but it stops the top teams from having a bigger squad of "better" players. No ones suggesting that it's totally evenly spread, it's better than it would be without a cap.
1. Patten
2. Broughton
3. Moon
4. Webster
5. Robertson
6. Gower
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10. Kaufusi
11. Lauitiiti
12. Galea
13. Kirmond
14. Chase
15. Amor
16. Huby
17. Nero
Not too bad a team, all from clubs in the bottom 6 teams. If there were no salary cap the vast majority of those players would be at the "top" clubs. I know Broughton and Lauitiiti would still be at Leeds if it werent for the salary cap.
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"The SC is a waste of space as the RFL don't monitor it.
The clubs have to declare to the RFL salaries of their top 25 highest players. The RFL don't then monitor or check this.
They don't check players tax returns or bank accounts. The whole exercise therefore is utterly worthless.
How can you know what each player is receiving in remuneration if you don't check his personal financial details?'"
The salary cap is 'live'. Its monitored by the RFL monthly. Why do you think no one has breached it for the last few seasons?
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| Quote Wheels="Wheels"The salary cap is 'live'. Its monitored by the RFL monthly. Why do you think no one has breached it for the last few seasons?'"
They didn't seem to monitor it until it went wrong at [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jul/28/blackpool-panthers-docked-10-pointsBlackpool[/url or
until a player went public at [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/15212305Barrow[/url
Both in 'the last few seasons'
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| Quote bramleyrhino="bramleyrhino"Despite what was oft read on the Wigan forum until a few years ago, the salary cap does not stop any club building a successful, or even dominant, team.
In his 2009 Grand Final interview, Kevin Sinfield inferred that Leeds were by no means the best payers in SL and that, if they wanted to, any one of that final-winning team could earn more money playing elsewhere. Yes, Leeds spend the full cap and Sinfield especially is not exactly badly paid, but the point stands - I'd imagine that the same is true at St Helens.
If you build a team who are motivated by achievement on the field, rather than fiscal gain, then you'll have a very successful side.'"
That's true, but building a successful side is one thing, building a successful SPORT - one that can attract sponsors and more fans at home and abroad, is another. I guess I'm not a purist, but to make the sport successful, you end up 'overpaying' relative to someone's talent on the field. Because what you're really paying for (if you're smart/lucky enough to make the right business call) is the number of replica shirts you might shift, or the new sponsor who'll take an interest, or the newspapers that put your club (and RL) in the limelight for a few weeks, and maybe more. Gavin Henson, for example, would be that kind of player.
Look at soccer. Are *any* of the players at the top clubs technically 'worth' their wages in terms of playing ability? No, that would be impossible. But, rightly or wrongly, some clubs see those players as 'investments'.
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| Quote Ovavoo="Ovavoo"Salary cap protects no one. It only serves to level the playing field and make 50/60 point drubbings along with only a handful of clubs actually winning anything and of course stop clubs going bust, a thing of the past. Wait a mo, it doesn't even do that. It's the worst thing ever introduced into this fine game. It stifles innovation, stops richer clubs helping out poorer clubs by buying their best players and thwarts ambitious clubs from expanding. It's a disaster and they should bin it straight away.'"

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| Quote Him="Him"Of course the "top" players are going to go to the "top" clubs, but it stops the top teams from having a bigger squad of "better" players. No ones suggesting that it's totally evenly spread, it's better than it would be without a cap.
1. Patten
2. Broughton
3. Moon
4. Webster
5. Robertson
6. Gower
7. Dobson
8. Taylor
9. Aiton
10. Kaufusi
11. Lauitiiti
12. Galea
13. Kirmond
14. Chase
15. Amor
16. Huby
17. Nero
Not too bad a team, all from clubs in the bottom 6 teams. If there were no salary cap the vast majority of those players would be at the "top" clubs. I know Broughton and Lauitiiti would still be at Leeds if it werent for the salary cap.'"
Oh absolutely - it's a question of degree though. The cap as a tool for distributing talent has been only an equivocal success IMO. [uMuch[/u better than nowt, but it's disappointing that even with a cap smaller teams can't sign or retain the odd top player. That team illustrates my point, IMO. You had to go from bottom 4 to 6, it still looks pretty ordinary and relies on about a dozen imports.
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