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| Quote No1 Saint="No1 Saint"They need to rebrand as a Manchester team , i.e Manchester Reds and try and appeal to a wider audience.'"
They could re locate to old trafford as a name change is certain to pull in Mancunians in their droves
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| Quote No1 Saint="No1 Saint"They need to rebrand as a Manchester team , i.e Manchester Reds and try and appeal to a wider audience.'"
Just imagine how much exposure St Helens RFC would get if they would rebrand themselves to Liverpool Saints, eh?
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| Quote east stander="east stander"City Reds
Changing name ensures more crowds, just look at the successes in London'"
funny...I don't remember hacking your account and posting that. 
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Hopefully this period will whittle out some of the weaker clubs and those that remain can realise what is happening and reduce the cap.
We're already dwarfed by Union and will soon be by the NRL. So why not just reduce the cap? Sure we'll lose players to those rival competitions but does it matter in the long run?'"
Economic nonsense. If a club can afford to keep players in OUR sport then we should be encouraging them to do so. Dragging everybody down to the level of the clubs that can't get themselves any fans just rewards failure and leads to ever further decline. We can't get sponsors as it stands, how is losing the best players going to help? Far from the cap being too high, its the cap being too low ( for clubs with money ) that's caused the problem. Its blocked money out of the game.
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| Quote TURFEDOUT="TURFEDOUT"Having a negative net worth doesnt make a company insolvent.They become insolvent if they are unable to pay their debts as and when due.'" Indeed - given nine of the 13 British SL clubs have negative net worths that would indeed be a problem; the average net worth is minus £94k. Exclude Warrington and Leeds and it is minus £2.4m. 12 of the 13 have net current liabilities, an average of £1.4m.
Every club other than Leeds is reliant on their owner for support; but this is a fact of life in almost every sport, certainly in the UK, and does not reflect positively or negatively on Rugby League in any particular way. In fact it is quite remarkable that such a small sport has so many very rich people willing to put so much money in - the most extreme examples being Ken Davy, the guys at St Helens and David Hughes. Quite how much John Wilkinson can be compared to those backers of rival clubs I'm not sure - and, like at Bradford, that might be Salford's big problem.
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| And yet Cas, Who own their own ground, And can maintain a suitable standard SL team, Losing less than most, Are been forced into busting a gut to get a new stadium, When the one they have is suitable for their needs. (Same goes for Wakefield)
The RFL are killing the game.
Salford aren't the only ones, Hull KR aren't far behind them, And the bottomless pit in London can't last forever.
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| Quote MjM="MjM"Indeed - given nine of the 13 British SL clubs have negative net worths that would indeed be a problem; the average net worth is minus £94k. Exclude Warrington and Leeds and it is minus £2.4m. 12 of the 13 have net current liabilities, an average of £1.4m.
Every club other than Leeds is reliant on their owner for support; but this is a fact of life in almost every sport, certainly in the UK, and does not reflect positively or negatively on Rugby League in any particular way. In fact it is quite remarkable that such a small sport has so many very rich people willing to put so much money in - the most extreme examples being Ken Davy, the guys at St Helens and David Hughes. Quite how much John Wilkinson can be compared to those backers of rival clubs I'm not sure - and, like at Bradford, that might be Salford's big problem.'"
Correct. I don't know if these fans of even lower salary caps genuinely don't mind league becoming a very very minor sport indeed or if they live in a fantasy world where we, uniquely, can be a top 4 or 5 sport in the UK without wealthy benefactors in the game. It ain't going to happen. If someone has the money to spend on things to boost the game...let them. And frankly, although people tend to always see high player expenses as a bad thing, you can make a strong case that buying say, Dan Carter, (heck, even Gavin Henson!) would generate more column inches, and therefore more sponsor interest, etc. for it to be a perfectly sound piece of business for the game as a whole. Our game has decided its too small fry for that to *ever* be something we'd do, and it pees me off that we're doomed to media mediocrity. At our media 'peak', Hanley, Offiah, etc. we were just starting to get somewhere against the bias, but now we're back (in fact behind) square one.
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| Quote No1 Saint="No1 Saint"They need to rebrand as a Manchester team , i.e Manchester Reds and try and appeal to a wider audience.'"
Maybe they should change it to Manchester Untied, see if they can trick a few dyslexic football fans into coming through the turnstyle.
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| Quote RLBandit="RLBandit"Correct. I don't know if these fans of even lower salary caps genuinely don't mind league becoming a very very minor sport indeed or if they live in a fantasy world where we, uniquely, can be a top 4 or 5 sport in the UK without wealthy benefactors in the game. It ain't going to happen. If someone has the money to spend on things to boost the game...let them. And frankly, although people tend to always see high player expenses as a bad thing, you can make a strong case that buying say, Dan Carter, (heck, even Gavin Henson!) would generate more column inches, and therefore more sponsor interest, etc. for it to be a perfectly sound piece of business for the game as a whole. Our game has decided its too small fry for that to *ever* be something we'd do, and it pees me off that we're doomed to media mediocrity. At our media 'peak', Hanley, Offiah, etc. we were just starting to get somewhere against the bias, but now we're back (in fact behind) square one.'"
The Cap is fine where it is.....it's the way clubs are run that is the problem.
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| Does anybody know how the Salary Cap looks now vs its introduction, in terms of inflation? Has it actually been devalued by inflation?
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| Quote Dettoriman="Dettoriman"And yet Cas, Who own their own ground, And can maintain a suitable standard SL team, Losing less than most, Are been forced into busting a gut to get a new stadium, When the one they have is suitable for their needs. (Same goes for Wakefield)
The RFL are killing the game.
Salford aren't the only ones, Hull KR aren't far behind them, And the bottomless pit in London can't last forever.'"
Cas aren't being forced into anything. If the stadium is suitable (it still has a wooden stand FFS) then they could improve other areas of the club to make their licence bid better.
Don't blame the RFL for your clubs' shortcomings. Cas had the option to spend money over the decades keeping Wheldon Road up to scratch, they chose not to.
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