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| SL is a farce. London have been warned about their crowds, Wakey & Cas their grounds, all the clubs have been told financial probity is paramount yet no-one is actually punished for failing to deliver on their promises.
If we're going to have a franchise system (which I disagree with) Wakey should have been given the boot for going into administration, Bradford should be given the boot, Cas and Wakey (again) should get the boot if the stadiums don't materialise and London should get the boot if their crowds don't go up.
Alternatively we could behave like a sport and have success on the pitch determine which division a club is in.
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| Quote mikej="mikej"If Bradford Bulls is liquidated then Bradford New Co can apply to the RFL for member of SuperLeague. It is likley that the RFL will allow New Bradford to compete until the end of 2012 thus alllowing the fixtures to be completed. The RFL will then need to make a decision as to whether Bradord New Co will be permitted to stay until the next round of franchises are agreed. This is when the arguments will all start again as New Co will not have a proven financial record, will not have the relevant success history etc etc to qualify for membership as may people will lose sight of the fact that they are not Bradford Bulls any more'"
The RFL won't be making any decisions as they don't own SL. Any newco will need to be voted in by the remaining member clubs who [ido[/i on SL. The RFL can lobby for or against but the club chairmen will make the decision. As I mentioned earlier, the vote may be a lot closer than I thought it would be.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"The RFL won't be making any decisions as they don't own SL. Any newco will need to be voted in by the remaining member clubs who [ido[/i on SL. The RFL can lobby for or against but the club chairmen will make the decision. As I mentioned earlier, the vote may be a lot closer than I thought it would be.'"
Its actually the RFL board who decides on licences, expulsions etc.
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| Quote ExiledTiger="ExiledTiger"SL is a farce.'"
Not really.
Quote ExiledTiger="ExiledTiger"London have been warned about their crowds, Wakey & Cas their grounds, all the clubs have been told financial probity is paramount yet no-one is actually punished for failing to deliver on their promises.'"
Both Cas and Wakey have new grounds in the pipeline. Wakey have made some improvements to their existing ground. London's crowds are poor, granted, but crowds are only one aspect of SL criteria. They'll need to improve drastically in the very near future or cease to exist anyway.
Quote ExiledTiger="ExiledTiger"If we're going to have a franchise system (which I disagree with) Wakey should have been given the boot for going into administration, Bradford should be given the boot, Cas and Wakey (again) should get the boot if the stadiums don't materialise and London should get the boot if their crowds don't go up.'"
Cool. You reckon you can replace all these clubs with better ones from the Championship I guess? Care to list the candidates? And while you're at it you'de better start lobbying the SL club chairmen to change the rules of [itheir[/i league to allow clubs to be summarily dismissed on a whim. Let me know how that goes for you.
Quote ExiledTiger="ExiledTiger"Alternatively we could behave like a sport and have success on the pitch determine which division a club is in.'"
Because we never had clubs go broke under P&R. No siree bob...
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| Quote mikej="mikej"Its actually the RFL board who decides on licences, expulsions etc.'"
The RFL board issue licences based on rules decided by the clubs. They can also only expel a club if the rules - again voted on by the clubs - allow it. The clubs actually have the final say on admission to SL as they own the league pure and simple. There have already been discussions between them on the possible admission of a Bradford newco. Opinions are divided.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"The RFL board issue licences based on rules decided by the clubs. =#FF0000They can also only expel a club if the rules - again voted on by the clubs - allow it. The clubs actually have the final say on admission to SL as they own the league pure and simple. There have already been discussions between them on the possible admission of a Bradford newco. Opinions are divided.'"
The RFL were give those "rights" (under the then created set of rules) when the franching system was first set-up :-
"A licence will INITIALLY be for three years however, the independent RFL Board will have the right to revoke a club’s membership if need be at any stage.
Although the reasons for this are still to be finalised it is likely to include insolvency, contractual breach, persistent under performance and possibly persistent rule breaking.
Any ‘failing’ club who has its membership removed could be replaced by a ‘successful’ club from outside engage Super League."
(Taken directly from the RFL on the formation of the licencing system.)
Clubs need to give their agreement to changes to the SuperLeague structure (eg:- adding more team, reducing numbers etc). If the RFL board pull Bulls licence, the RFL board can replace them. I agree that they would seek to do it with the agreement of the clubs, but the rules allow them to do it unilaterally.
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| I think you are both right.
The admission of a newco would be dependent on a vote by the SL club chairmen, the RFL have been given the right of veto.
I fully expect the clubs to vote against the re-admission for Bradford to make their displeasure clear, but full in the knowledge, and as willing participants, the RFL to wield that veto and continue the sterling job they do as a lightening rod for the conspiracy theorists, assorted yokels, and peddlers of nonsense.
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| What we'll find out by this process is if all clubs are treated equally, if Bradford come out of admin like Wakefield did and rebuild in that way, 4 point deduction seems fair
If they go into liquidation, I don't know what other option but relegation. If this was Widnes (my team), Castleford, Salford, Wakefield, London there'd be no debate and people would expect it, and there'd be no arguments. Just because Bradford were one of the "big four" does not give them the right to circumvent the consequences of bad management that led to liquidation
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| Quote mikej="mikej"If the RFL board pull Bulls licence, the RFL board can replace them. I agree that they would seek to do it with the agreement of the clubs, but the rules allow them to do it unilaterally.'"
But that's not what we're talking about, is it? We're talking about what happens if the current Bulls club is liquidated and a newco applies to join in their place. In that situation the power to say yes or no lies ONLY with the club chairmen - just as when the newco London club was admitted.
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| Quote The Lizard="The Lizard"What we'll find out by this process is if all clubs are treated equally, if Bradford come out of admin like Wakefield did and rebuild in that way, 4 point deduction seems fair
If they go into liquidation, I don't know what other option but relegation. If this was Widnes (my team), Castleford, Salford, Wakefield, London there'd be no debate and people would expect it, and there'd be no arguments. Just because Bradford were one of the "big four" does not give them the right to circumvent the consequences of bad management that led to liquidation'"
If they go into liquidation, there's no club left to relegate and all bets are off.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"I think you are both right.
The admission of a newco would be dependent on a vote by the SL club chairmen, the RFL have been given the right of veto.
I fully expect the clubs to vote against the re-admission for Bradford to make their displeasure clear, but full in the knowledge, and as willing participants, the RFL to wield that veto and continue the sterling job they do as a lightening rod for the conspiracy theorists, assorted yokels, and peddlers of nonsense.'"
The RFL don't have a veto. They do have a vote. If 8 clubs vote against a newco then they aren't coming in. If the vote is tied I believe that the RFL can then make an additional deciding vote one way or the other.
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