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| Quote Goochie="Goochie"Why will South Wales not be around long after franchising?
And I believe Bradford were also in existence before 1996, but since I support a Super League club could a Championship fan tell me?'"
Will Bradford be around after franchising ? South wales are just another part of the welsh experiment which has been a resounding failure so far what is to say it will suddenly become a success. Super league in its current state is not financially viable for teams without the high turnover of teams like Leeds | | |
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| Quote Goochie="Goochie"I'd say since franchising started SL is beginning to get closer towards the levels required of a top level comp, and the amateur game seems to be growing too.
The big problem that's facing the game is the current Championships, and where the RFL want to go with them. Is the aim to grow the Championships into being professional, full time leagues with a paid TV contract, or is it to be a league to 'groom' expansion clubs for Super League, as well as housing clubs like Fev, Leigh, Fax, Batley etc who have great histories and good fan bases, in which case why have it on TV, enjoyable as it may be the game isn't making any money from the TV deal.'"
My argument for the last few years, the RFL havent a clue what to do to make the Championships a ' vibrant, worth winning in their own right competition ' , the TV ' deal ' is quite ridiculous
The RFL should appoint a Championship ' Director ' with specific responsibility to build the competition and the clubs in it, somebody who will put the Championships 1 st and not be influenced by the requirements of SL or any other aspect of the sport, they should also have their own budget, a couple of million a season should do it
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| Quote FFA="FFA"Will Bradford be around after franchising ?'"
You realise that they went bust long before SL and survived the experience, right? Why would it be any different now?
Quote FFA="FFA"South wales are just another part of the welsh experiment which has been a resounding failure so far what is to say it will suddenly become a success.'"
The 'Welsh experiment" finished when Crusaders disappeared. What's left is genuine fans of RL doing what they can. Who are you to tell them that they're failures? Sheer arrogance. | | |
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| Quote FFA="FFA"Will Bradford be around after franchising ? South wales are just another part of the welsh experiment which has been a resounding failure so far what is to say it will suddenly become a success. Super league in its current state is not financially viable for teams without the high turnover of teams like Leeds'"
No idea, I don't have a crystal ball, but at the moment it looks like they won't.
I'm not clued up massively on the Scorpions, but aren't they doing quite well, bringing players through and getting decent crowds (for that level), and the same with the reformed Crusaders? Quote FFA="Starbug"Quote FFA="Goochie"I'd say since franchising started SL is beginning to get closer towards the levels required of a top level comp, and the amateur game seems to be growing too.
Quote FFA="Starbug" My argument for the last few years, the RFL havent a clue what to do to make the Championships a ' vibrant, worth winning in their own right competition ' , the TV ' deal ' is quite ridiculous
The RFL should appoint a Championship ' Director ' with specific responsibility to build the competition and the clubs in it, somebody who will put the Championships 1 st and not be influenced by the requirements of SL or any other aspect of the sport, they should also have their own budget, a couple of million a season should do it
If they want to ring me I'll do it'" '" '"
Agreed. For clubs like Leigh, Fev and Fax there is still a point to the season, as they have aspirations of Super League so need to win it for the points on the application, but for the Batley's of this world who are quite happy where they are what's the point in winning the comp? It's difficult to see how that can ever change with franchising in place, but then I don't think we'd be seeing the improvements across the board in Super League without franchising. | | |
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"perilous state of the game's finances.'"
Perilous state of the game's finances or perilous state of certain club's finances? Last I recall, the balance sheet for the RFL was pretty healthy. | | | |
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| Quote Goochie="Goochie"No idea, I don't have a crystal ball, but at the moment it looks like they won't.
I'm not clued up massively on the Scorpions, but aren't they doing quite well, bringing players through and getting decent crowds (for that level), and the same with the reformed Crusaders?Agreed. For clubs like Leigh, Fev and Fax there is still a point to the season, as they have aspirations of Super League so need to win it for the points on the application, but for the Batley's of this world who are quite happy where they are what's the point in winning the comp? It's difficult to see how that can ever change with franchising in place, but then I don't think we'd be seeing the improvements across the board in Super League without franchising.'"
There are no current Championship clubs anywhere near strong enough to go into a franchised SL, Fax are probably the current strongest, and their application was ridiculed by the RFL last year, there is nothing for Championship clubs to play for, and the attendances prove it, last night Leigh drew 1,800 for what should have been one of their most important matches of the season
The Championships need massive investement in time, money and most importantly inovation and inspiration, the RFL dont have any of those things | | |
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| Quote bramleyrhino="bramleyrhino"Perilous state of the game's finances or perilous state of certain club's finances? Last I recall, the balance sheet for the RFL was pretty healthy.'"
Mick Gledhill begs to differ, assume he has some evidence to support this tweet:
The whole financial viability of #rugbyleague is under threat. Salford, Hull KR and Castleford to name Three others.
He goes on to say "I truly believe that within 5 years, the sport will only sustain Leeds, Hull, Saints, Wire and Wigan as FT clubs"
Sounds like he's done a lot of research on the infrastructure and funding of the sport in the last few months. Can we support a top flight competition with more than 10 clubs? Very much hope so. | | |
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This discussion seams to have gone from 'has SL failed'? to more of a discussion about the championship.
If we are comparing RL to attendances in other sports then if you look at SL attendances, and compare those to say football. SL would equate to the bottom of the Championship playing the top of the league one clubs.
The Championship in RL would equate more to a league 2 football competition in terms of attendances.
www.football-league.co.uk/static ... 057,00.pdf
In the end we can all wish for more people to watch the game, but wishing will not make it so. Now that posters have show SL attendances to have actually grown, the doubters then change tact and go to the championship and ask for evidence that these have not suffered.
What I'd say is if you want to say P&R has reduced attendances in the lower leagues, then it's down to you to show the figures to prove your own point. Anyone can throw out statements and say prove me wrong, but the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges. |
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This discussion seams to have gone from 'has SL failed'? to more of a discussion about the championship.
If we are comparing RL to attendances in other sports then if you look at SL attendances, and compare those to say football. SL would equate to the bottom of the Championship playing the top of the league one clubs.
The Championship in RL would equate more to a league 2 football competition in terms of attendances.
www.football-league.co.uk/static ... 057,00.pdf
In the end we can all wish for more people to watch the game, but wishing will not make it so. Now that posters have show SL attendances to have actually grown, the doubters then change tact and go to the championship and ask for evidence that these have not suffered.
What I'd say is if you want to say P&R has reduced attendances in the lower leagues, then it's down to you to show the figures to prove your own point. Anyone can throw out statements and say prove me wrong, but the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges. | |
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Mick Gledhill begs to differ, assume he has some evidence to support this tweet:
The whole financial viability of #rugbyleague is under threat. Salford, Hull KR and Castleford to name Three others.
He goes on to say "I truly believe that within 5 years, the sport will only sustain Leeds, Hull, Saints, Wire and Wigan as FT clubs"
Sounds like he's done a lot of research on the infrastructure and funding of the sport in the last few months. Can we support a top flight competition with more than 10 clubs? Very much hope so.'"
If this is genuinely the case, that SL can only sustain these 5 clubs then, i'm sorry, but we need a large pair of gardes shears so that they can have their wings clipped.
FWIW, I dont agree with the comment, although perhaps too many clubs are chasing the dream a little too hard and although the very nature of professional sport is to do just this, perhaps now would be a good time for the sport, not just SL, to re-evaluate its goals. | | |
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| Of course fans need promotion at the end of the season otherwise winning your league is completely pointless. Nobody would have such a system if they had half a brain. Promotion is essential. That is why if you win the SL, you get promotion to . . . oh, hang on. Well, alright, maybe the SL clubs play on somehow despite the lack of promotion, but what about the Premier League? The clubs at the top spend billions just to try to achieve promotion to the . . er . . . or in fact they all play in the "best league in the world" despite it having . . . NO PROMOTION.
I believe that somewhere in the southern hemisphere there's a rugby league too - NRL or something - where they are doing OK yet eschew any promotion as well. How can all these leading clubs all over the place possibly see the point to a championship season where you don't get promoted to somewhere?
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| Quote LeighGionaire="LeighGionaire"I remember all the rubbish spouted about how having a smaller, full time, top level league with no automatic promotion and relegation would -
a) raise playing standards and allow us to beat the Australians on the international stage and
b) make clubs more financially secure as the spectre of relegation and 'yo yo' teams constantly overspending in attempts to stay in the top flight would end.
c) Help spread the game nationally.
However New Zealand managed to win the World Cup without having a full time professional league and Super League clubs can still be found in dire financial stress, the mighty Bradford Bulls the latest example! As for expanding the game I don't any real example of this at all, infact I'd say there's far less interest in RL then there previously was in my locality at least.
Teams outside the top flight suffer from dwindling attendences, primarily IMO because the dream of automatic promotion has been taken away. I'm one such fan. I used to hold season ticket, travel to most away matches and support the national team when they played internationals nearby. Since automatic promotion to the top flight was ended I've only watch my hometown team three times, two free tickets and one I bought to watch us recently play a Super League team in the Challange Cup.
So IMO at least Super League has completey failed.
Discuss.'"
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