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Quote: Lockyer4President! "You need to get more Englishmen playing in the NRL. Especially young halves, ship them over and they’ll develop into better players in the Aussie RL system. It’s why NZ is competitive after all.'"


A centre as well.
The last proper centre (by that I mean played in the English competition first) that came out here I think was Gary Connolly(brillant player as well).
I really think Zak Hardraker is up to it, when I went over for the WCC he contained Lyon pretty easily,now give him a show against Jennings, Hodges etc on a weekly basis and his game would grow to another level.
Sam Tomkins has to come over here, put it this way if Slater wasn't around he would be the top fullback in the game today easy.
Josh Charnley could be the next big thing - love watching him play.

The forwards aren't the problem statistically speaking in the last three major comps the English forwards outplayed Australia's. It's the backs.
That and playing guy's like Sinfeld out of position(yes in club rugby league you can get away with playing him at 6 but not against the best players in the world)

It might effect the quality of the SL for a bit but the positives will outweigh the positives (for the National side).

Why do I have an interest in making an English side strong - hate seeing the old enemy suffer and want to see a good English/GB side. My father and Grand Father use to regale me with tales of how good the GB team use to be prior to the 80's

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Quote: JB Down Under "Didn't say the whole team was made up of Union imports but it was supplemented by imports, especially in the backline.

1. Alan Tait
2. Martin Offiah
3. Scott Gibbs
4. John Deveraux
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6. Joanthin Davies
7. David Bishop

Not a bad International top up from that era!'"

Alan Tait - not in the same class as Hamson or Chris Bibb
John Devereaux - very naive - reponsible for Oz winning at Wembley in '92 when Renouf made him look like a monkey
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I'll give you Scott Gibbs and Davies - both excellent converts, Davies possibly the best I've seen since Lewis Jones. Offiah was quick. Once he stopped being quick his career was over.

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Quote: major hound "Alan Tait - not in the same class as Hamson or Chris Bibb'"


Better than both for me. You can make an argument for Hampson but he was just good under a high ball. Tait was a better attacker, runner and defender than Hampson. On Bibb, I'll have to pass on that because I don't remember him doing anything that stuck in my, admittedly woeful, memory.

Quote: major hound "John Devereaux - very naive - reponsible for Oz winning at Wembley in '92 when Renouf made him look like a monkey
David Bishop
I thought Devereaux was okay and I'm not sure you can condemn a man's entire career on a slip up against one of the best centres to ever play the game, in a World Cup Final. Agree on Bishop. Had a couple of good games but never enough to seriously suggest he was international quality.

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Its not just the union imports its the players we've lost to union.

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Quote: Kelvin's Ferret "Where the difference comes in is at the lower levels of the game, where the investment in equipment, facilities and coaching is missing, and that feeds through. Unless picked up by a SL club youth set-up at an early stage it is unlikely a player will progress to first grade, and we don't have a wide enough base of grass roots clubs with excellent coaching facilities to prime the pump.'"



You're probably right with the amount of money in the game at lower levels.

But exactly the same applies to a kid if they aren't picked up by an NRL club. The junior rep comp for example in NSW would start at Harold Matts (U16s), though all sides have development squads looking for good players. Before that there are clubs that have juniors. And of those clubs, more and more are disappearing.

One more thing to consider is that with kids, I've seen St Helens come over here twice and beat their NRL counterparts. So maybe the perceived problem is after that.

We've had countless australian coaches go to the UK. Do people really think no-one learnt anything from them if they were so special and different?

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Quote: McClennan "Better than both for me. You can make an argument for Hampson but he was just good under a high ball. Tait was a better attacker, runner and defender than Hampson. On Bibb, I'll have to pass on that because I don't remember him doing anything that stuck in my, admittedly woeful, memory.

I thought Devereaux was okay and I'm not sure you can condemn a man's entire career on a slip up against one of the best centres to ever play the game, in a World Cup Final. Agree on Bishop. Had a couple of good games but never enough to seriously suggest he was international quality.'"


I'm not saying Tait wasn't a good attacking fullback - but then so was Chris Bibb - but he was very suspect defensively. He didn't seem to know how to use the touchline as an extra defender -this was badly shown up by Offiah's try at Wembley in 1993 -Offiah was fast but Tait should have at least been in a position to tackle him - he wasn't. I saw Bibb play quite a lot - as a Fev fan I admit I'm biased. But he kept us in games against the top sides in the late 80's by his sheer defensive positional abilities. Devereaux was as you say "ok" but not in the same class as say Henderson Gill, or Robinson say.
Union imports had their place in RL international sides, and there were some good ones - not mentioned - but the core of a top RL side had/has to of solid RL pedigree or they'll never really win anything. Look at the Salford side of the seventies, stuffed full of Union talent. Maurice Richards, Mike Coulman, David Watkins, Keith Fielding, and what did they actually win in the end? Same sould be said of the80's/90's Leeds sides. packed with big name Union players Gallagher, Young, Fallon - what did they win?

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