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Quote: EHW "a few years ago, us Saints fans couldnt understand why Mick Higham was constantly overlooked for international selection despite performing well in a fantastic club team.

Fact is, some players look good in great teams despite not actually being that great themselves.'"



The difference in this case however is that Wigan are the best team in the league because of the performances of people like McIlorum, not despite him. This year his distribution is superb, seems to pick the right pass every time and makes a daft amount of tackles. That isn't because "he's behind a good pack". He's just playing very well.

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Quote: McClennan "Posted this on the Saints board during a discussion about us producing more better quality players now that we were ten years ago.

This is the team which lost 64-10 in Australia.

Radlinski (Wigan);
Johnson (Wigan),
Wellens (St Helens),
Senior (Leeds),
Pratt (Leeds);
Sculthorpe (St Helens),
Sheridan (Leeds);
O'Connor (Wigan),
Cunningham (St Helens),
McDermott (Leeds),
Peacock (Bradford),
Fielden (Bradford),
Farrell (Wigan, capt).

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Fully agree with this

I was a big admirer of Radlinski but Tomkins offers more to modern day RL as a full back. The big difference between the team above and now is the quality of the half and outside backs options – having to play Wellens in the centres says it all and we could select 4 or 5 wingers now who would make that line up (probably 10 in front of Pratt)

In the big picture of player development, we have made massive strides in the last 10 years

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Quote: McClennan "Of that backline I estimate one (Senior) would start at international level now. I haven't included Sculthorpe in that because he was a loose forward but the fact that we couldn't produce even one stand off to fill that spot says a lot about the increasing success we're having. It may not be enough to stop Australia but it's doing better now that it was before.'"


Agreed, but on the flip side the forwards and the bench is better than the current squad

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Quote: shambawangy "Agreed, but on the flip side the forwards and the bench is better than the current squad'"


I disagree. The forwards are similar but I think our back rowers have more impact and are more mobile now than they were then. Farrell was undoubtedly a great player but O'loughlin is becoming an increasing good loose. And I think we could put out a better bench than what we had there for sure.

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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



Quote: shambawangy "Agreed, but on the flip side the forwards and the bench is better than the current squad'"


Correct

And there are three players - Farrell, Cunningham and Sculthorpe who were significantly better than anyone playing today (other than Tomkins).

Sculthorpe out of position was better than any 6 we've currently got (as was Farrell when he played stand-off) and in recent years we've been playing foreigners to try to strengthen the side.

I don't think that 2002 side was very representative though of where standards used to be.

If you look at the 2003 Ashes series, it was a 3-0 whitewash but GB were much more competitive than they are today and who knows what might have happened if Morley hadn't got himself sent off in that first test. (As an aside, Farrell was immense that day and anyone that says he never proved himself at international level needs to sit down and watch that game. One hit he put in on Webcke - during which he stole the ball - will live long in my memory, partly because an Aussie sitting behind me had just been forecasting that Webcke was going to smash the GB pack single handed. I heard barely a peep out of him for the rest of the game.)

This was the 2003 side, from the first test

Radlinski (Wigan); Carney (Wigan), Connolly (Leeds), Senior (Leeds), Horne (Hull); Sculthorpe (St Helens), Long (St Helens); Fielden (Bradford), Newton (Wigan), Morley (Sydney Roosters), Peacock (Bradford), Farrell (Wigan, capt), Forshaw (Bradford). Subs: Anderson (Bradford), McDermott (Leeds), Deacon (Bradford), Gilmour (Bradford).

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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



And then there's this great side from 1992, in an era when we regularly give the Aussies a game

Great Britain: Joe Lydon, Alan Hunte, Gary Connolly, Garry Schofield (c), Martin Offiah, Shaun Edwards, Deryck Fox, Kevin Ward, Martin Dermott, Andy Platt, Denis Betts, Phil Clarke, Ellery Hanley.

Replacements: John Devereux, Alan Tait, Kelvin Skerrett & Richard Eyres

What a pack!

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