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Quote: major hound "Hardaker was developed by Fev, he went to Leeds as the finished item.'"


Hardaker is FAR from the finished item.

Quote: major hound "The question we should be asking is if (for example) Fev had been playing in SL would Burrow & Briscoe have started their pro careers there instead of with a club from elsewhere?'"


No because the likes of Leeds & Hull would still be able to pay higher wages than Fev

Quote: major hound "The lack of P &R is throttlng clubs in the lower leagues. Fev have dominated the Championship for the last two seasons but seem to have peaked. What happens if they can't keep it up until application time do they miss out? Probably. The whole thing is a bad joke dreamt up by someone who knew nothing of the game and TBH obvioulsy cared less since he's now off back to tennis.'"


The lack of P&R isn't throttling lower league clubs - the lower league clubs are what's throttling themselves, if they knew how to market themselves etc they could pull in crowds and make good money.

The fact of the matter is the majority of clubs in the lower leagues just aren't run well enough, have a good enough infrastructure or marketing to be a successful Super League club.

Franchising is the correct way to go - the RFL are just doing it wrong, what they're doing isn't franchising it's off-field bureaucracy P&R shrouded in secrecy and they know it's wrong because they bar teams from suing them over decisions they make during the process - if it was a more open process then they couldn't work it how they do.

Only 1 method of franchising works - the model the NRL and American sports use, you have your league set up and those teams are in the league for good (although conditions such as admin 20 team league split into 4 divisions of 5 teams.

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Quote: Starbug "So surely that is the challenge Andy? , if it just a case of " well the Championships have always had poor attendances, there is nothing that can be done " then its time to just pack it in'"

I understand your points and it Ashame not more money in the game.I love promotion and relegation as fun end of the season.But due to a big gulf in salary cap of £300,000 and over 1.2 million to 1.8 million makes it difficult.I am hoping at my club next season we spend more on players and get rid of the garbage.Adjustment is big and if was relegation we be straight back down.We was poor in the Championship, but not all players want to be fulltime,as some fulltime are not so better off if had another job.

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Quote: OFFTHECUFF "What are the average attendances for the top Championship clubs?They will need better crowds and the Gulf is big.Look at Featherstone after games against Superleague teams, as took it out of them as got smashed in the Championship in the next game.Games are intense every week in Superleague.'"

NOt for the bottom teams they aren't. As Tomkins said last week, they play competitively for 20 minutes or so but if they go a couple of tried behind to one of the top teams they turn it in, because they know there's no danger of relegation so why pull your tripes out? The bottom of Super League is a joke comp. The lack of intensity week by week is why our top players are unable to beat Australia. We need some way to motivate the bottom teams and nothing motivates a team like fear. That is what all sport is about. Hopes and fears. It's also why crowds turn out. When Wigan's results became predictable in the late eighties, early nineties, despite their success their crowds actually diminished.
The classic example of what promotion and relegation can do in terms of international sport is English cricket. Under the old County Championship when by July most players were just going through the motions we were the world's easybeats. Now after the introduction of P&R we are challengers for the no 1 Test team spot.

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P&R is not the reason for the England cricket team doing well. Central contracts and a change in coaching is the reason.

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Quote: LifeLongHKRFan "I also didn't mention money.'"


If not money then what other resources are you talking about ?

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Quote: LifeLongHKRFan "P&R is not the reason for the England cricket team doing well. Central contracts and a change in coaching is the reason.'"

The revival in England cricket came after the introduction of P & R into the County Championship - it's pressure and intensity that builds international players, not comfort zones. The Aussies don't P&R that's true, but they do have the incentive of the State of Origin team. The money they can make playing SOO must drive them to excel.

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