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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: jonny the leyther "Regarding the P&R debate, I understand both sides of the story, which have been debated to death over and over, how about this idea as a middle ground where everyone would be happy...


Keep franchising with P&R every 3 years, as it is now.

But instead of spending a fortune on any of the ideas of a 2 tier SL, reducing the amount of teams etc etc, why not spend some money on prize money in the lower leagues.

If the prize money in the NRC, C1 and Championships were vastly increased the competitions would get the vitality they need, if teams won they can reinvest for preparation for SL, rather than paying off debts.

If there was a dominant team for a few years, like Featherstone, instead of getting kicked in the teeth, they could have their ground, accounts and maybe even squad bridging the gap between the Championship and Super League.

This would also give the lower Super League teams and promoted Championship teams the required 3 years to adjust to Super League and develop slowly.'"
Championship clubs already receive healthy prize money. I'm not sure why some Championship fans seem to think that the RFL has an obligation to fund their clubs, but it needs to stop.

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Quote: Starbug "So surely that is the challenge Andy? , if it just a case of " well the Championships have always had poor attendances, there is nothing that can be done " then its time to just pack it in'"

I understand your points and it Ashame not more money in the game.I love promotion and relegation as fun end of the season.But due to a big gulf in salary cap of £300,000 and over 1.2 million to 1.8 million makes it difficult.I am hoping at my club next season we spend more on players and get rid of the garbage.Adjustment is big and if was relegation we be straight back down.We was poor in the Championship, but not all players want to be fulltime,as some fulltime are not so better off if had another job.

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Quote: OFFTHECUFF "What are the average attendances for the top Championship clubs?They will need better crowds and the Gulf is big.Look at Featherstone after games against Superleague teams, as took it out of them as got smashed in the Championship in the next game.Games are intense every week in Superleague.'"

NOt for the bottom teams they aren't. As Tomkins said last week, they play competitively for 20 minutes or so but if they go a couple of tried behind to one of the top teams they turn it in, because they know there's no danger of relegation so why pull your tripes out? The bottom of Super League is a joke comp. The lack of intensity week by week is why our top players are unable to beat Australia. We need some way to motivate the bottom teams and nothing motivates a team like fear. That is what all sport is about. Hopes and fears. It's also why crowds turn out. When Wigan's results became predictable in the late eighties, early nineties, despite their success their crowds actually diminished.
The classic example of what promotion and relegation can do in terms of international sport is English cricket. Under the old County Championship when by July most players were just going through the motions we were the world's easybeats. Now after the introduction of P&R we are challengers for the no 1 Test team spot.

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P&R is not the reason for the England cricket team doing well. Central contracts and a change in coaching is the reason.

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Quote: LifeLongHKRFan "I also didn't mention money.'"


If not money then what other resources are you talking about ?

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Quote: LifeLongHKRFan "P&R is not the reason for the England cricket team doing well. Central contracts and a change in coaching is the reason.'"

The revival in England cricket came after the introduction of P & R into the County Championship - it's pressure and intensity that builds international players, not comfort zones. The Aussies don't P&R that's true, but they do have the incentive of the State of Origin team. The money they can make playing SOO must drive them to excel.

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