I've also said charnley an mossop will be a 4 very soon. Charnley is good but not as good as briscoe yet who I have a 4 to. He probably will end up being better than briscoe. Mossop is one of the most promising forwards we have and will go a long way but he's hardly played enough super league games and no international games to claim he is good enough yet. Take the Wigan specs off for once in your life.

Are we basing this on what we've seen just this season or in the past at International level or what?

Can think of a few players not selected in my opinion 4 rating on form anyway

Robbo?? Atkins??

And England knights players also on form at moment on 4 rating

Mossop is superb and will be the next England prop in the Morley/Peacock mould. Giving Lockers a 3 is an insult compared to some of your other marks

. Charnley is a 4 now and will be a must in the England team if he keeps playing like has been, he is as good as Briscoe now and will be better the more he plays.

Bookmark this post if you want and we will see who is right in the future. I will be suprised if i hear from you again to be honest

Trying to communicate with you is so painful as you seem to be the most stupid person ever to exist, but let's give it one more go.

I AGREE that Mossop will be an England prop and I also think he will be one of the best we've ever had, but we don't know if this is going to be the case. Many players have looked brilliant when they have come in as a young player but never really hit the heights we expected (see Danny Orr, Chris Thorman, etc). Is less than 50 appearances for Wigan (the majority of which have been from the bench) and 0 (thats zero) international appearances enough to claim that he is going to be a very good or world class player at international level? Answer: is it b0ll0cks!

As for Charnley, exactly the same as Mossop, I agrre he will be better than Briscoe, but Briscoe has proved himself at international level already and played well and scored good tries at that level. Charnley has not. It's that simple. Until he plays international rugby, how can anyone rate him as such?

O' Loughlin is a matter of opinion (who would have thought people have different ones), I don't think he ever has been or ever will be a great international loose forward. Decent but that's about it. I hope he proves me wrong and becomes the greatest ever of all time but he won't. Sculthorpe in his prime was a 5 and O' Loughlin isn't half the player, in my opinion of course.

You need to apply the same rules to all your ratings then, not just the Wigan ones. You opened by saying rate the squad with numbers etc which i assume you mean off the players ability. Some of the players you have rated above them have done fook all at international level and never will do as they have had many opportunities and failed.

There are some SERIOUSLY rose tinted spectacles being worn on this thread.

Absolutely

And a heck of a lot of players being scored on the club they play for rather than any rational opinion.

One point on a player omitted but Robbo must be wondering what he's done to upset MacNamara - got a chance to play for England on the back of a lot of injuries and took it with both hands, covering himself in glory against international opposition each time he's pulled the England shirt on and he gets left out.

Mind, I firmly believe that in England we do have the people to beat Austrailia now, just they arent being necessarily picked, and if the are picked, they are played out of position.

Quite simply, we can pick half a dozen wingers and centres that CAN do it against the Aussies, we have a fullback that is truly capable of changing a game if given chance

We have genuine compeition for halfback places

We are falling over ourselves for top class hookers and as ever the only question of our pack is who the hell do you leave out.

Smalltown parochial club-biased short-sightedness on the VT - surely not!
After careful consideration I have rated the squad on a totally impartial and disinterested basis.

Ablett 5
Bailey 5
Bridge 1
Briscoe 1
Brough 1
Burrow 5
Carvell 1
Charnley 1
Chase 1
Crabtree 1
Cudjoe 1
Hall 5
Hardaker 5
Henderson 1
Hock 1
Jones-Bishop 5
Jones-Buchanan 5
Lomax 1
McGuire 5
McIlorum 1
Morley 1
Mossop 1
O'Loughlin 1
Peacock 5
Roby 5
Sinfield 5
Tomkins 1
Watkins 5
Welham 1
Westwood 1
Wilkin 1
Yeaman 1.

Plus
Graham 1
Burgess 1
Ellis 1-5
Reed 1
Widdop 1

I'd rate them as...

Ablett - 2/3
Bailey - 2
Bridge - 2/3
Briscoe - 3/4
Brough - 3/4
Burrow - 4
Carvell - 2
Charnley - 3/4
Chase - 3
Crabtree - 3/4
Cudjoe - 2/3
Hall - 5
Hardaker - 2 (but will improve quickly)
Henderson - 3
Hock - 4/5
Jones-Bishop - 2/3
Jones-Buchanan - 3/4
Lomax - 3
McGuire - 3
McIlorum - 2/3
Morley - 4/5
Mossop - 3 (perhaps 4 by the end of the season)
O'Loughlin - 4/5
Peacock - 5
Roby - 5
Sinfield - 4
Tomkins - 5
Watkins - 3/4
Welham - 2
Westwood - 4
Wilkin - 3
Yeaman - 2

Plus
Graham - 5
Burgess - 5
Ellis - 5
Reed - 4
Widdop - 4

Ablett - 4
Bailey - 2
Bridge - 2
Briscoe - 3
Brough - 4/5
Burrow - 5
Carvell - 4
Charnley - 4
Chase - 3
Crabtree - 4
Cudjoe - 4
Hall - 5
Hardaker - 3
Henderson - 3
Hock - 3
Jones-Bishop - 3
Jones-Buchanan - 3
Lomax - 3
McGuire - 3
McIlorum - 2/3
Morley - 4/5
Mossop - 3
O'Loughlin - 3
Peacock - 4
Roby - 3 (the game is changing and he is of the old scooting hooker school)
Sinfield - 4
Tomkins - 5
Watkins - 4
Welham - 2
Westwood - 4
Wilkin - 3
Yeaman - 2

Plus
Graham - 5
Burgess - 5
Ellis - 5
Reed - 4
Widdop - 4