Seems to me that NZ have a bit of an incentive to win by loads. In the unlikely event of England winning on Saturday, it could come down to points difference.

34-12

Oh good, I'm not alone...

its cos this kiwi side is on a par with the kiwi team that came up here in 2007...and got beat 3-0 and very nearly lost to france too

Zackley!

Wales are getting a 46 point start on the handicap, I assume you will be getting stuck in.

Ooft, William Hill has NZ to win by 11-15 at 20/1 and 16-20 at 18/1.

England to win by 1-5 at 9/1 and 6-10 at 16/1.

With those sort of odds I may well get stuck in.

Ouch!

This squad has been weakened with the Beast dropping out along with a score of good centres. But this squad is better than the shell of a squad that came over then. Better pack and halves for starters. You like to hark back to that squad. Time does move on.

Vatuvei has had a very poor year, truth told. Probably more effective than Fai-fai Loa but in his current form not by much

I think Wales will be competitive for 20-25 minutes and it might be close at halftime. Kiwis will stretch out to a convincing win in the second half.

But it would be nice if it was a close game, I suspect that the Kiwis would start to fall apart if it were close after 65 minutes. Just an opinion.